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08-02-2020 , 06:11 PM
Early in tourney 2.5k BI,
Villain only had ~3 hands at table and opened every hand. 3-bet pre a mistake? Call, c/f any non-King/spade? Jam turn?

Hold'em No Limit - 3,250/6,500 (975 ante) - 8 players

(UTG): 283,931 (44 bb)
(UTG+1): 272,326 (42 bb)
(MP): 162,673 (25 bb)
(MP+1): 197,912 (30 bb)
(CO): 562,493 (87 bb)
Villain (BU): 719,990 (111 bb)
(SB): 336,878 (52 bb)
Hero (BB): 542,481 (83 bb)

Pre-Flop: (17,550) Hero is BB with T K
5 players fold, Villain (BU) raises to 13,000, 1 fold, Hero (BB) 3-bets to 31,525, Villain (BU) calls 18,525

Flop: (74,100) 6 K 6 (2 players)
Hero (BB) checks, Villain (BU) bets 28,275, Hero (BB) calls 28,275

Turn: (130,650) Q (2 players)
Hero (BB) checks, Villain (BU) bets 88,075, Hero ??
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08-02-2020 , 09:52 PM
Probably wouldn't 3-bet pre flop. If you are gonna 3-bet the sizing needs to be bigger. at least 4x.

As played I would bet flop small.

As played I would call the turn. Folding is out of the question, and jamming doesn't get called by worse or fold better(Except exactly KJ).
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08-02-2020 , 10:22 PM
Yeah probably would bet the flop after 3betting and call as played
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08-03-2020 , 08:33 AM
KJs isnt good hand to 3bet
as played ch/call lines seem good ones.
Basically you do not have bad cards only A..perhaps
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08-03-2020 , 10:47 AM
Not sure I'd want to read to much into 3 hands, but if your read is that V is close to any 2 on the button, 3 betting is fine. You do need to go larger as you are OOP.

Flop looks fine. You are likely way ahead/behind. There are only 3 really bad turn cards, the non spade Aces.

Turn is a great card for you. It gives you a strong draw, counterfeits KJ, and might make Villain a second best pair when he was stabbing with Qx. The only hand that pulled ahead of you is exactly QQ, which we would expect a 4! preflop. It also give Villain some barreling hands that picked up equity, like AJ, AT, JT, J9.

I don't see how the turn is a fold in any scenario. Could it be a raise? No. I think we are in a hold on scenario, where we just need to call down on any river.
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08-03-2020 , 08:46 PM
Flop is a blunder. Pure bet here for the small size
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08-03-2020 , 08:46 PM
As played it’s obviously a continue. Not ever x/r soooo call down
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08-03-2020 , 09:19 PM
You shouldn’t be playing 2.5k’s if you can’t size properly. I feel you can flat/ 3bet this spot pre. We should be ahead of a standard button open as button can open super wide here. Due to fact we are so deep, 3bet sizing needs to be much bigger. 31k, Villian should be flatting almost his whole range. Make it 4-4.5x if you are going to 3bet oop.

Letting players peel against you cheaply here in position is really bad.
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08-03-2020 , 09:59 PM
This too^
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08-04-2020 , 10:28 AM
I would flat pre-flop. As mentioned, if I 3-bet it would be 4x. In the SB I don't mind the 3-bet.

I would lead out the flop at 1/3 pot.

On the turn I don't mind a check.

As played I would call the turn bet because we have top pair and a flush draw and we have way under-repped our hand post flop.
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08-04-2020 , 10:45 AM
Serious question- is 3.5x 3bet too small here? I think I would wanna stick with 4x or a little more bc we are oop.
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08-04-2020 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Flop is a blunder. Pure bet here for the small size
Are you betting range on this flop? I think that is OK, but if we do have a checking range, this hand seems ok for it.

Either way, the EV difference between a small bet and a check is not huge. This is more true if we are against an aggressive player, who will likely bet his range if we check.

Betting just folds out some of the very low equity hands like T8s that the Villain called with. Check/calling keeps those hands in range. We also keep the pot smaller versus the only Villain who can put our stack at risk.
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08-04-2020 , 10:12 PM
But the thing that makes me nervous is that ip is just blasting on a board where he shouldn’t really ever have anything so a lot of times when you see ppl just pouring $ in the pot on boards where they are really behind in terms of pot share range vs range they skew pretty strong
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08-07-2020 , 02:25 PM
3-bet pre is bad. Our hand plays nice post-flop and getting 4-bet would be a disaster - I mean, I guess we can consider continuing if we do get 4-bet but it's really gross, so why put ourselves in that position early in a tournament?

We have so many worse hands in our BB defend range that I'd be fine with 3-betting intending to fold to a 4-bet. Sizing is awful, too. If we're going to 3-bet, probably needs to be more like 45K oop. At our 3-bet sizing button probably needs to continue with their entire range.

Flop is pure c-bet small, we want to target villain's 77-QQ range (maybe JJ/QQ 4-bets at some frequency) and get some floats along with it, yeah sometimes we're up against a better K but that's not the majority of a 3-bet continue range. We're also not upset if hands with some equity (like Ax) fold here.

As played call turn. Hand is too strong to fold and jamming effectively turns our hand into a bluff.

If we don't improve on the river? I guess I want to fold here with spades specifically as we block some hands with Ts that would turn themselves into multi-street bluffs, but I can also argue that if we check back top pair on this flop we have to be prepared to call down. I'm a station so I'd probably just sigh-call, but I can certainly see arguments for folds based on sizing.

Last edited by jpgiro; 08-07-2020 at 02:32 PM.
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08-07-2020 , 07:33 PM
3betting isn’t bad at all
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08-07-2020 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
3betting isn’t bad at all
As a pure 3-bet? I could see mixing it in sometimes but I'd rather 3-bet some worse suited Kx as bluffs and it seems at best to be at the very bottom of the range we'd want to 3-bet for value. I can certainly be convinced otherwise.
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08-10-2020 , 10:45 AM
3bet is OK. Call is OK. Small bet on the flop is fine. If you do want to x/c hands like JJ/QQ/TT etc then then this is a nice hand to strengthen that x/c range with. Don't fold now though. This is a much better hand to x/c with than those lower pocket pairs.
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08-12-2020 , 11:52 AM
Annoyingly I agree with everything gregz said, nice 3b, nice cc line
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08-12-2020 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
As a pure 3-bet? I could see mixing it in sometimes but I'd rather 3-bet some worse suited Kx as bluffs and it seems at best to be at the very bottom of the range we'd want to 3-bet for value. I can certainly be convinced otherwise.
No it’s definitely not a pure 3b strat pre - when I play I keep a rng and roll a medium % of 3bs here so like anything about 65 or so I’ll 3b and Peel the rest.
K10s is going to play just fine in 3b pots vs the button range lots of good things are gonna happen
But checking here otf is definitely a blunder as the dto gods would say the k66 is really good for oop range here so you just bet basically every hand for 25% and there’s not much ip can do about it
Especially because ip is gonna definitely play more passively than gto so if he’s never gonna be bluff raising and stuff vs your strat then the bet is printing it’s really not close
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