Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 1,500/3,000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 39,480 (VPIP: 16.11, PFR: 12.61, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 605)
BB: 234,522 (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 61)
Hero (UTG): 123,228
UTG+1: 53,900 (VPIP: 22.23, PFR: 14.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.47, Hands: 2,148)
MP: 26,773 (VPIP: 20.91, PFR: 9.35, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 111)
MP+1: 40,853 (VPIP: 24.90, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 497)
CO: 69,679 (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 141,565 (VPIP: 26.89, PFR: 23.27, 3Bet Preflop: 9.23, Hands: 215)

No reads on BB...he was at the other table (when down to 2 tables) and I didn't pay enuf attn...lol

8 players post ante of 300, SB posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 6,900) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to 6,315, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3,315

Flop: (16,530, 2 players) J 3 8
BB checks, Hero bets 5,115, BB calls 5,115

Turn: (26,760, 2 players) 9
BB checks,

Hero? And what's our plan for rivers? Flop can def be a check too (I like checking slightly more with the 9h) but w/e...

Ugh I feel like I know where this is going and it's kind of gross...

Betting is normal I mean this is better than 65hh practically and gotta charge the world here, so if we get check/raised obviously have the full house mine but then how often are we calling? Don't know much about the guy - if it's an ole' Darvin Moon/Billy Kopp style c/r we're smashed but these days in age he's in BB too so could have Ah8x or whatever so we're in guessing mode on a blank river barring any reads...

I'm pretty unsure here - I can see a turn check if we're uncomfortable calling or folding to big bets but there are so many cards that just kill our action so a turn bet looks mandatory - if we get piled it's pretty sick with no improvement - what was the next action you took?

Thx for your reply...I bet 14,715 (which is 55% pot.) Plan was to decide vs a c/r (which would be infrequent imo.) River plan was to bet again for a slightly smaller sizing on blanks and check back on 4 hearts or 4 str8 rivers.

Do you have a sizing pref if we improve otr? We have 1.7x pot behind.

Was curious if a smaller turn sizing would be better but the Sim i ran with 40% and 55% ott doesn't like 40% at all.

I like small bet ott or check sometimes.

I would use larger sizing w/ hands which have better removal effects.
And I would bet large 33, 8h8 ahead of 99!h.

This is actually a super interesting spot, do you have results from PIO? My first instinct is that since we bet so small otf he has a lot of floats here that pick up equity so we should go a bit larger (65%+) and decide on rivers. But thats just a gut feeling, I'm sure actually running the sim would be a better answer.

We ran some sims but I didn't save them.

Overall PIO agreed strongly with Hero's line on turn and river...turn sizing of 55% is good, 85%/110% clocked in like <2% each. It probably doesn't make a big difference to go 65% instead of 55%, but V is xrai ott >10% so it's not a spot where we want to bet super broadly or too largely for value.

Overbet seems the way to go on river as well. QQ-AA have to check, even when I put in a 20% size it's too thin to bet them.

edit: V hasn't revealed river card but w/e Ill leave info up

I had mine and I added a larger turn sizing (85%)...



So user is correct that 88 and 33 are higher freq bets but not for the small sizing.

Wait...user itt...so sick...yusssss etc

Oh and River 8c

I like the 55% and your plan rest if the way. River overbet(with improvement) looks AMAZING though it concerns me how often we'll actually get called in practice here. Betting pot or anything under may work out better as I think there could be a significant difference in villain hero folding flushes to bigger sizing.

Assuming he's calling correctly what's going in the overbet range? If we're doing all the boats including 33 how is AhXh really any different since we're hoping to get calls mostly from flushes. I'm thinking the best bluffs would be unsuited Ah, maybe some kind of KhQ though would have to think more about the best bluff candidates.

I wonder how ICM environment affect our turn strat. Should it affect freq or sizing or both?
I generally prefer smaller turn sizing oriented strat esp 40bb deep esp at ft.
Idk why stupid PIO would bet JJ and 99 at the same freq ott... nonsense

You can node BB turn response. I think it's likely people overfold or don't c/r enough vs small bet.

Good question...not sure but if BB knew that I was very 'ICM aware' then he could employ a strat to apply max ICM pressure (like expanding his check-shove range ott.) In game it (ICM) didn't factor into my decision, b/c no one was super short and I didn't think BB would check shove turn at anywhere near GTO freq (which is pretty low to begin with.)

I never node lock in my Sims b/c then they become specific to the situation and explo in nature. I think that node-locking def has a benefit but it also can slow down the learning process (assuming your objective is to learn a GTO strat.)

Overbetting let's us add > bruffs

I think flop is most interesting spot here and if pio is liking the protection/value bet here on j38 w flush draw
I’m thinking that oop does pretty ok here and that 99 would be a pretty hi frequency x.

I was also curious about flop.
Sim was interesting bc results was not what I expected:



30,50,75,100 sizes^

Pio prefers a large cbet sizing on this board. My guess is because BB has a lot of 7-Q cards in his defend range and thus flops a lot of equity on this type of texture (although obviously very little nutty equity).

But it looks like EP wants to leverage range advantage ASAP instead of betting full range for 30%.





30,75,120 sizes^

I ran it with a slight overbet and it prefers this size over others.





30,75,130^

Tweaked the overbet size slightly and results changed a lot from the previous iteration, which was interesting.
Slight OB is preferred, but not too big.

^Surprising result. Thanks for effort erc, RWE; wb it's been a while.

Hmmmm... interesting flop results...thx for looking into this...but click on the Strategy btn f.f.s. before u take the SS so we can see the freq (for diff combos.)

And thx for making my life a lot harder by requiring a lot more inputs otf .

^ this def need the strategy tab open when reviewing these results

sorry boys dropped the ball on that one. lmk if you want to see other sizing plans.

Are ppl inputting the payout structure into sims (for icm)?

so this is 2018 for "i need help with my math homework"

naw...it slows down the Sim imo....