Hello guys,

Here is the hand I'm wondering about how I played

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T1*500/T3*000
Buy-in: W CIRCUS Event 19
Winamax Poker
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T111*990)
MP - MP (T220*343) Villain (VPIP : 38, PFR : 30, 3bet : 14, Agg :72)
CO - CO (T190*260)
BTN - BTN (T102*737)
SB - SB (T40*261)
BB - BB (T95*801)

Preflop: (T6*900, 6 players) Hero is UTG with 6 6
Hero raises to T6*000, MP raises to T17*000, 4 folds, Hero calls T11*000

Flop: 4 9 8 (T40*900, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets T13*200, Hero calls T13*200

Turn: A (T67*300, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets T23*200, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T23*200 returned to MP

Total Pot: T67*300

MP wins T67*300


Seeing the aggressivity of Villain, wouldn't it be better to 4bet pre here ? orc/r flop as no face cards have hit the board or would it be too spewy ?

Maybe fold flop? We should have tons of hands that realize equity better than 66 on this board. On the other hand, vs a 30% pot bet 66 might be a mandatory defend, I dunno. Eager to hear what others think.

Other than that, seems fine. 4betting pre and c/r flop are both super FPS, don't do that.

Going by the blinds it seems you were deep so don't know if ICM is a factor? Given your stack size (37BBs) I probably would have raised larger 2.75-3.5x to narrow 3-bet ranges especially from the two larger stacks acting immediately after you. A 4-bet might be a consideration if V views you on the tighter side and would fold unless really strong but no info on your image.

As played, I'm usually not calling the flop bet (unless I think V is cbetting a high % but usually shuts down on the turn) and some % of the time I'm not calling the 3-bet pre-flop as my stack is too short to set mine (especially in a tournament).

A 4 bet pre here would put you in an awkward spot. If you 4 bet, what would you 4 bet to, 40K? Then Jam most flops?

I am not saying that I'm against it all the time, because maybe MP is 3 betting light, but with stack sizes, it's awkward. You are too deep to 4 bet shove IMO.

I think I like peeling the flop cuz we're getting a good price and could easily have the best hand, but you have to do this with the mindset that ur chkfolding a bunch of turns, which is fine because of the price we're getting on the flop. Turns we can evaluate whether to continue on would be any nonspade under a 10 I think.
In general when I get underbet I like to defend aggressively, force him to risk more chips to get us to fold.
Definitely an interesting spot on the flop. I think chk/calling, chk/folding, and leading are all at least reasonable options to consider.

Please don't 2.75-3.5x here! If you are getting 3bet too often in this spot then you should tighten your opening range. But don't open bigger to 'discourage' 3bets because of your holding.

This isn't the right hand or the right spot to be 4bet bluffing pre, and I'd hate a 4bet/call

Folding to the 3bet pre is fine, and probably best imo. You are only calling to set mine really, and with shallow stacks and wider ranges you're not getting great implied odds. When you miss the set, trying to hero down with 66 oop against an agg player with these stacks is kind of gross.

As played, c/c flop and c/f turn is fine.

guys, what happened to set mining 15-1 guidelines, aren't they applicable anymore.

Good post, love this.

I assume when a LAG is behind us we want to make a couple adjustments:

1. Open a bit tighter

2. Fold to 3bets less than we otherwise would, against the LAG.

3. Favor calling 3bets with hands that flop well

I assume this means in a spot like this we may want to pitch a hand like 66 but call the 3bet with more marginal holdings like Q9s, 87s, etc.

Thoughts?

Definitely not. What does "set mining" even mean? We have a pair of 6s, that's good enough to win the pot unimproved sometimes, or bluff and win (though maybe not in this particular situation, see my last post).

^^^ okay, mr. iconoclast. i still fold preflop tho.

Folding preflop is fine as I mentioned above, but recognizing the showdown/bluff value of 66 is only iconoclastic if it's 2011.

^^ yea, and how about recognizing that 30bb-ish stack size greatly reduces your bluff opportunities and WTSD? Is it 2018 enough?

Good question about the stack size. I'm not sure I agree with your premises here. We should be getting to SD more with a shallow stack, yeah? And stack size curtails our ability to run multi-street bluffs, but it makes it easier to get all in and protect our equity, so maybe that's a wash? Eager to hear others' opinions here, might be thinking about this wrong.

I think my final answer is call pre, c/f flop > fold pre > call pre, c/c flop, c/f turn >>>>>> anything else.

If we choose to call flop and fold turn, we protect our range by hardly ever checkraising the flop. And if we call pre but fold flop, we still want to defend against a LOT of 30% pot flop bets (ex: overcards + BDFD probably does the trick) but 66 is not one of them.

Hey side question, I'm just getting back into playing online with a HUD, how laggy is 38/30 in 6max? I know I run something like 23/18 in full ring and I'm probably laggier than 60-70% of regs but I definitely don't stand out as a maniac.

personally with 30bb-sh stack i am trying to stack off with monster hands/draws or go to the showdown as cheaply as possible with mediocre hands and avoiding fancy bluffs, esp vs aggressive players. Very straightforward play you can say, but if/when i double up, i can return to more complex/fancy game. Part of this strategy is sticking to mining set rule with small pairs and that means that I fold preflop if I can't find enough implied odds. I am not sure if it's 2018 enough tho. What I am sure about is applying this strat + icm/bubble awareness + inflection points recognizing is enough to win not-super-high-roller tournaments.

I would possibly check raise the flop and then barrel turn and river, repping the set. Either that or fold flop.

^^ love this!

There’s so much bad advice itt
Hand is fine. You could fold pre utg but the open is fine. Vs this size 3b the call is mandatory. This is one of weakest hands utg. 4b is stupid
X/c is standard otf but folding is also fine but exploitable
Turn fold is fine
Nh op

What is the point of calling flop?