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06-07-2014 , 02:40 AM
Hey, okay first post on 2p2. So this is from a $560 buyin at Turning Stone a few weeks ago. Villain is a 26-28 year player wearing poker hoodie from the brand 3bet. Seems somewhat competent. Hero is a 19 year old kid wearing a Nike hoodie. As soon as Villain sat down, his first hand was in the big blind where another player (45k chips) opened my mid position for 1600 (blinds 100/400/800) and Hero was in the sb will AA and shoved for 16,500 in chips, Villain in the BB had about 58k and cold called with TT. The other player shoved over the top with AKo and Villain folded after some thought but didn't like to see the AK. I hold and have about 50k..... A little while while goes by and I win and lose a few pots but cbet folded to a raise 2-3 times out of the about 5 hands I've been involved in during this time. I have been pretty tight pre flop as well.
On to the hand.....
There are about 3 levels left in the day and I recently lost a flip AK vs 88 and also recently raised in mid position and folded to a 3bet. I am down to about 40k. Blinds are 200/800/1600 now and Villain has been pretty tight but now is down to 33k. He raises UTG to 3200 (which was his standard) and its folds to me in the BB with TsTc. With stacks and positions and images as they were, I felt that a 3bet to 8500 would look incredibly strong and I would never gii in a great spot. Hero flats. The flop comes Js7s5h, I check and he pretty quickly bets 3200 again. I don't see any other option but calling. Hero calls. turn is 2c, i check and he thinks for 5 seconds and then goes all in for 27k into the ~13,800 pot.
Hero????
Last thoughts: He did not seem like the type who would overbet to protect AA,KK,QQ etc as he seemed like a younger, pretty decent player. Also, I tend to get run over live somewhat due to my appearance and escp. could be true here cause I cbet folded a few times and raise folded recently.
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06-07-2014 , 11:49 AM
seems like you're playing out of your comfort zone here. mix in some 3-bets with the bottom part of your calling range, fire back some 4-bets against suspected light 3-bets, mix it up post. you're presenting a fairly soft target. there's an 'AG' part in TAG, u know?

V started with 20BB and is min-raising UTG so he shouldn't have a lot of Jx in his range. there's overpairs, flush-draw combos and just overcards/air. live reads the best guide but i'm looking for reasons to call.

P.S. i like the shove in hand 1.
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06-07-2014 , 02:53 PM
if you discount AA-QQ its a snap call. even if you dont then im fine calling vs a polarized range on brick turn vs described villain
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06-07-2014 , 08:27 PM
Villains play looks pretty weak to me. Pretty sure I'm calling here most of the time as that flop is likely to have missed him more often than not.

Seems like he puts you on a weak hand when you don't raise on the flop after 3-betting pre.

He's probably going to show up with QQ here a small percentage, but I mostly figure him for AK/AQ or a medium pair that missed a set more often.
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06-07-2014 , 09:56 PM
interesting, yes. you do not put heart draws in his range? and since he is utg he already should have a decently strong range so why does he 'seem weak?'
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06-08-2014 , 02:35 AM
^^^^ He doesn't seem weak at all to me.

Hes a good player who opened from utg and a tight player calls from the bb with a 20bb stack. When he shoves into you he's saying he's got Jx beat and you have TT. I just dnt think you're good here.
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06-08-2014 , 03:39 PM
I get a strong sense of weakness from him playing the player and not the cards. Hero has played this hand very weak, and villain likely has picked up on that. He doesn't need a big hand here to make that play a large percentage of the time.

Strikes me that villain is just outplaying the hero here. But I could be wrong of course. I usually am, lol.
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06-08-2014 , 07:41 PM
will post results shortly
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06-10-2014 , 07:48 PM
Jam pre.
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06-11-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
Jam pre.
With 7k in the middle, and risking about 30k to shove, and a hand that rarely gets it in really good versus his utg range, you thinks its a jam? Why is that? I look very strong given my image and he was pretty tight as well. He probably only calls with better and he has a lot of better hands in range to call with and not that many light raises at all
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06-11-2014 , 09:07 AM
Fold turn!
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06-11-2014 , 10:48 AM
Hand starts 20bb effective. Making a mistake postflop when we have such a strong hand is going to be very expensive, if he calls it off with 88/99 or AQ/AK and there's a board that would have been ugly for them post flop, we get their entire stack on that board.
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06-11-2014 , 12:12 PM
I am in the jam pre camp as well, if not then I think I am jamming the turn.
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06-11-2014 , 03:47 PM
alright well, the results are the following: I folded turn. He showed Q9s, for no pair no draw. Obviously, misinterpreted his pre flop range and it seems he was taking advantage of the fact that my range sorta capped at a Jack. Furthermore, he said, he doesn't wanna go into day 2 short so he had to make a move (wish i had that info haha)
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06-13-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 5betbluff
alright well, the results are the following: I folded turn. He showed Q9s, for no pair no draw. Obviously, misinterpreted his pre flop range and it seems he was taking advantage of the fact that my range sorta capped at a Jack. Furthermore, he said, he doesn't wanna go into day 2 short so he had to make a move (wish i had that info haha)
And everyone was telling me I was wrong for reading Villain as weak.
Villain read hero as weak and played accordingly, and rightly so. Hero played the hand weak here. A raise on the flop would've taken the pot down easily.
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06-13-2014 , 05:22 PM
Sorry. A bet on the flop (or a check raise I suppose). Personally, I'd probably shove this flop with TT. If he's got AA/KK/QQ/JJ, that sucks.
When he bets so small and you just flat, it screams weakness IMO.
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