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08-10-2019 , 01:35 AM
Blinds 500/1k 1k ante
Villain: late 20s early 30s competent
Effective Stack
Folds around to sb. He Completes. I have A7hh in the big blind. Sometimes I raise in this spot. But opted to Check.
Flop 678ssd. Check/check.
Turn 7d. Villain 3k. I call.
River Kh. He 6.5k. I raise 16k. He tanks and jams 46.5k.
Us?!
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08-10-2019 , 02:15 AM
Need better read on villain.

Snap call or long fold.

Just a gross spot.

I talk myself out of a call if I don't snap.

He's bluffing or he isn't.

You're line is weird. He's trying to buy it. I find a call.

And wouldn't be surprised to lose.

Last edited by Smudger2408; 08-10-2019 at 02:24 AM.
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08-10-2019 , 02:35 AM
No real read on villain. Saw him play a few hands. Just “seemed competent “. Would love to hear what was weird about my line and what would you do different? I raised for value, obv, but once he jams it changes things. Thanks for your input. It’s appreciated!!!
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08-10-2019 , 03:13 AM
you hit your best card on turn and didn't check raise.

I would have 100% check raised turn.

How does he give you a 7?
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08-10-2019 , 03:17 AM
You underrepped hand on turn.

Means, as played, call on river is puke call.
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08-10-2019 , 03:21 AM
Don't know what villain had. But he played it really well.

EIther way. He has you beat, he got you. He doesn't you consider folding.

Really hard spot.
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08-10-2019 , 10:41 AM
I feel you should raise pre. We are ahead of a complete range. As played, i like raise on turn and not river honestly. As played, what is he calling river raise that is worse?

I would make it 4x bb pre and play poker. This is a great spot where we are doing very well against a limp range. I feel checking behind is kinda meh here. As played, probably a fold on river.
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08-10-2019 , 10:44 AM
Pre is literally always a raise
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08-10-2019 , 01:06 PM
Effective Stack 56.5k**
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08-10-2019 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
I feel you should raise pre. We are ahead of a complete range. As played, i like raise on turn and not river honestly. As played, what is he calling river raise that is worse?

I would make it 4x bb pre and play poker. This is a great spot where we are doing very well against a limp range. I feel checking behind is kinda meh here. As played, probably a fold on river.

I agree with raising pre. But I do like to mix in a few suited aces in my checking range. I felt like I can get value from an 8x hand, KXss that bricked flush draw but rivered top pair, weaker 7 (unlikely), some K8o. I really didn’t feel inclined to raise turn because I wanted to keep his bluffs in there. All his 9x hands, spade draws, and also wanted to keep his 8x hands in there. I ended up finding a fold after his jam. He did Tell me what he had after our table broke. Thanks for the input once again. I appreciate it!
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08-10-2019 , 02:44 PM
raise 100% of the time vs limp at this stackdepth.

I like it as played, raise turn some non-zero % of the time though to get value from random fds, oesds, gutters and worse 7x, some 8x that he decided to bet for some reason.

Villain does not shove worse for value otr and he does have close to zero bluffs imo, so I fold river.
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08-12-2019 , 03:27 AM
imho
Check or raise pre mixed strat seems ok
Flop is 1BB to 1.5BB bet/(sighfold) when checked to, so much worse gives value and you balance your air stabs well
As played flat turn and nitflat river. there aren't enough 7x hands left in V range that will pay this off to compensate for the flopped straights and turned books that have you beat.

Last edited by oldsilver; 08-12-2019 at 03:36 AM.
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08-12-2019 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by oldsilver
As played flat turn and nitflat river. there aren't enough 7x hands left in V range that will pay this off to compensate for the flopped straights and turned books that have you beat.
I agree that if you flat turn, just sigh call the river bet. I probably raise turn more times than not, but BvB adds extra variance and thus wider range for V.
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08-14-2019 , 08:24 AM
The EVs of check back and raise are pretty lose such that xb isn't bad, but this is supposed to be a raise pre in theory

Flop could also be a bet since you have so much 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x, 8x, 9x, and Tx that wants to bet at least occasionally but x is also fine to protect your hands that don't wanna be doing much flop stabbing on this texture.

Turn is generally a raise, this is close to top of your range so we mostly raise for value and because V can be bet/calling with enough worse hands than 8x (like Jd4d, 4s3sd, et a) you can also raise 8x too should. But flatting as a low freq play is OK since your range is so wide, meaning you need to conserve enough 7x combos in your turn flatting range lest it becomes exploitable.

River your hand is a bluffcatcher, he shouldn't really be b/jamming too much worse 7x so in theory this is a mix call or fold in practice probably always a fold against V's who don't bluff enough.
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08-15-2019 , 02:10 AM
Appreciate all the feedback!
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