55 daily marathon - put myself in a stupid spot
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 11
Opponent has a VPIP of 42, called a 50 bb shove with 22 the Hand before, plays crazy.
PokerStars Hand #180793586048: Tournament #2176096661, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (125/250) - 2018/01/10 17:44:38 CET [2018/01/10 11:44:38 ET]
Table '2176096661 12' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: bk0705 (21343 in chips)
Seat 2: BetForNympho (17319 in chips)
Seat 3: hero (10180 in chips)
Seat 4: Daralon (44314 in chips)
Seat 6: JIM_BALLAS (9583 in chips)
Seat 7: BenjiChasinG (14636 in chips)
Seat 8: subiremos. (11271 in chips)
Seat 9: DutchBorat (17448 in chips)
bk0705: posts the ante 25
Dealt to hero [As Th]
subiremos.: folds
DutchBorat: folds
bk0705: raises 300 to 550
BetForNympho: folds
hero: raises 1120 to 1670
Daralon: folds
JIM_BALLAS: folds
BenjiChasinG: folds
bk0705: calls 1120
*** FLOP *** [5h Tc Jd]
bk0705: checks
hero: checks
*** TURN *** [5h Tc Jd] [3c]
bk0705: checks
hero: bets 1496
bk0705: calls 1496
*** RIVER *** [5h Tc Jd 3c] [5d]
bk0705: checks
hero: bets 2966
bk0705: raises 15186 to 18152 and is all-in
hero: calls 4023 and is all-in
bk0705: shows [Ac 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
Do you cbet the flop? Guess i should check the river, but i thought hes the type of Player calls me off light thinking im bluffing. Once he raised the river i hate to call and hate to fold..... called it off cos my stack short and he played kinda crazy. Critik for any street pls
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 623
I would fold pre, but as it is, we didn't so lets look at the hand.
If we check back the flop, we can bet the turn fine but I think a bet of around 30% is enough. I just don't see any merit in going for thin value on this river at all. If he leads we can fold, if he checks then a simple check back in this spot is fine.
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 299
Against somebody who plays crazy it may be best to just check the flop and try to get to the river as cheaply as you can, since this type of player doesn't need three streets of betting to put in all his chips. Because of that and because you're not that strong, I'd go with checking. Maybe you can nab 1 street of value from the turn or river, but if he all of a sudden shows a huge interest in the pot, it will be very difficult to fold anything that's a pair to him because of his crazy image. The river is tough, if he called off a 50 BB with deuces he's likely to be doing this with just about anything, have you seen him do anything crazy on rivers? Given your stack size and how the action went down, folding this probably seemed out of the question at the time.
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 11
didnt see anything Special from hin on the river.... 3bet pre fine or fold to avoid spots like this??
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 299
3 bet or call is fine, folding seems a little bit to weak, unless the player is a nit or the raise came from UTG I would play it, and probably 3 bet as well. Gives you the post flop lead and allows you to take down the pot more frequently with a c-bet.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 128
Preflop: I would rank the options as fold>call>3-bet
All raising does here is bloat the pot with a marginal hand against an opponent who has a range that we'll have issues narrowing, due to his maniacal play. It sounds like we don't have fold equity, so are we raising for value? Additionally, we can't call a 4-bet profitably here and will be forced into a 5-bet shove/fold situation with 4 players left to act.
Flop: As played, both a c-bet or a delayed c-bet are fine here. If we c-bet, a check back on the turn for pot control is optimal, since we have showdown value with a marginal hand. With this line we can call or fold river, depending on read.
River: As played, we can mostly rule out villain having QQ-AA or any big J, since he isn't likely to have checked these twice. While that sounds like it should lead itself to a thin value bet, he could still have all bad J's, all 5's, and 33 (or some trapped monsters as well like TT, JJ) in his range due to your description.....thus I like a check back to realize our showdown value.
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,737
Need history/dynamics to b/c
Check back river or b/f
5 isn't super blank river card vs button-clicker.
Don't post results to get more adequate feedback.
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,149
Meh. Seems fine. Pretty annoying river x/shove but probably a fold overall can’t blame a call vs a psycho
I think betting otf makes some sense