Vs a reg on a blank river, whats the weakest hand you would want to valuejam?

PokerStars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 24,018
BB: 5,215 (VPIP: 23.09, PFR: 15.67, 3Bet Preflop: 9.42, Hands: 865)
UTG: 32,743 (VPIP: 22.88, PFR: 15.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 803)
UTG+1: 24,596 (VPIP: 21.60, PFR: 14.92, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 789)
MP: 38,327 (VPIP: 24.13, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.73, Hands: 1,267)
MP+1: 12,349 (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 17.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.28, Hands: 751)
CO: 22,557 (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 14.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 437)
BTN: 24,325 (VPIP: 17.10, PFR: 11.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.65, Hands: 310)

8 players post ante of 40, Hero posts SB 150, BB posts BB 300

Pre Flop: (pot: 770) Hero has K A

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 633, fold, Hero raises to 2,700, fold, CO calls 2,067

Flop: (6,020, 2 players) T 6 2
Hero bets 2,300, CO calls 2,300

Turn: (10,620, 2 players) K
Hero bets 4,000, CO calls 4,000

River: (18,620, 2 players)

Also what would be the bottom of your calldown range as villain?

Gonna need a specific river card

3, 4, 5, 7, 8. 2 or a 6 river aswell wont change the river barrel much I suppose.

Bigger ott

Dont see the need for that. This leaves 13k behind for a decent sized river jam, where there is enough behind to bluff the river also a decent amount.

Yea but u are thinking about it wrong. What matters is the ev of your hand and how to maximize it. While it’s a thing to manage ur river size otr what matters is value and protection on the turn and there’s tons of bad rivers so U wanna get value now also your bluffs wanna bet big

Also when you bet bigger and u get called u make more $

Yup, I'd even argue for gii OTT. If you bet 7k for example OTT, it leaves you with 12k in a pot that makes 24k. You'd be pot comitted and then what to do if club hits the river ? Clearly with this play, you want to represent AQ or AJ with Ac and is aiming for a call from JJ or QQ or a hand that floated the flop like QcK or even the hands we want to reprensent.

The most you can bet is the size of a pot

It's NO limit holdem...

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It is a redundant joke. It is a reference to Patrick Antonius speaking abt plo rules w/ a strong and cool Finnish accent at the beginning of PAD's PLO week also featuring Hastings Galfond Ivey etc... from a couple of years ago. Not even that many. But Hey anyway, thx for your input abt NLHE being NO LIMIT. Appreciate it : )

Hey man, you never know in forums.... Sorry didn't get the joke...

Ahah np man

for 75% pot bets he has to call a bit less than 60% of his range to get you to your optimal indifference point for bluffs.

don't care to enumerate all combos but I think that would probably be somewhere around JJ or 99 for someone competent.

I think that AK is too much of his river call range to even slip KQ in your value range though.