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11-28-2011 , 06:18 PM
Villain has played ~3 K games and is a losing player with a $7 ABI. So he's terrible. I know this tourney might be the best tourney in the history of the world to set mine. But what do we do on turn? If I call turn I am 100% snap calling (or shoving) all non A/K rivers, so help me make a decision for my chips OTT. Villain has been kind of stationy at this table, no 3 bets yet. I am torn between "easy fold" and "but ... this guy is terrible, who knows wtf he is doing."



    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11155432

    UTG+1: 9,455 (118.2 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 8,100 (101.3 bb)
    MP1: 3,180 (39.8 bb)
    MP2: 1,705 (21.3 bb)
    MP3: 6,046 (75.6 bb)
    CO: 2,805 (35.1 bb)
    BTN: 9,690 (121.1 bb)
    SB: 2,295 (28.7 bb)
    BB: 7,774 (97.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 2 2
    UTG+1 folds, Hero calls 80, 5 folds, SB completes, BB raises to 320, Hero calls 240, SB folds

    Flop: (720) 2 8 A (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 360, BB calls 360

    Turn: (1,440) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 880, BB raises to 1,760

    Spoiler:
    Results: 3,200 pot
    Final Board: 2 8 A K
    Hero mucked 2 2 and lost (-1,560 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-1,560 net)



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    11-28-2011 , 07:40 PM
    cib, hes unlikely to continue bluffing otr if he is. Just get all your value now.
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    11-28-2011 , 07:50 PM
    Really? I feel like call and fold are the only conceivable options? If he is bluffing, there is a decent chance he'll jam river because he's terrible. If he has a hand like AK, it's not like any river will cause me to miss value.
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    11-28-2011 , 08:02 PM
    $5 quad, not $50 quad?

    They cant fold AJ here the vast majority of the time. Folding would be indescribably bad. Call to c/jam pretty much all rivers would be ok I guess, but you risk him checking behind on clubs or when decides hes not carrying on with his KQ.
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    11-28-2011 , 09:57 PM
    I would get it in here. Don't think he's folding an A based on my experience at these lower stake tournaments. You can definitely lose action to a Spade though.
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    11-28-2011 , 10:11 PM
    hero mucked, wtf
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    11-28-2011 , 11:08 PM
    just shove hes never folding now
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    11-28-2011 , 11:23 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jjyykk
    I would get it in here. Don't think he's folding an A based on my experience at these lower stake tournaments. You can definitely lose action to a Spade though.
    You mean club, right? Definitely agree that we need to be trying to get some chips in here. Folding is nonsensical because there are way too many combos of AJ+ and if we assume his range is exactly 88, KK+ and AJ+ and nothing else we have over 75% equity. Add in some spazz combos and folding makes even less sense.

    I would click it back, and hope he calls or jams. Getting it in right now is fine, but I'd greatly prefer he see a river with his worse Ax hands, which I assume he is going to fold if you jam but may convince himself to call one more time. I'd size river based on the card that comes off, but probably jamming.
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    11-28-2011 , 11:29 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CaliStyle
    hero mucked, wtf
    That's actually misleading. It says I mucked because I only copied the first part of the hand history.
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    11-29-2011 , 08:48 AM
    Looking at his line could be a lot of times AK, KK or AA, but this is a 5 not a 50.
    We limped...so many times he thinks that we have ace rag and/or flush draw. We can be paid OTR.

    Here I think many times he is not so strong and probably I will just call and shove river for any non club (try to induce missed draw). Club will be a killer so probably I will lead smallish.
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    11-29-2011 , 08:59 AM
    too many "bad" turn card
    def dont flat, ie r/c if he is a sicko or just shove
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    11-29-2011 , 09:53 AM
    you, sir, arent Chuck Bass
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    11-29-2011 , 02:09 PM
    Villain is basically never bluffing here so I don't think flatting is really a viable option. I guess I like CiB the most since villain may fold some of his weak Ax hands to a shove but will prob at least call with one pair and may shove if he has 2 pair (and will def shove better sets).
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    11-30-2011 , 12:12 PM
    Never flatting turn chk raise, im shoving, you get value from a tonne of random hands, if this guys is a losing random you're set is waaaaaaay ahead of his range.

    If hes got KK then you're going broke
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    11-30-2011 , 12:19 PM
    Bet bigger like 90% pot against these ******s. Againts regs etc just keep your own sizing...
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    11-30-2011 , 02:09 PM
    i'd shove to bluff, we have two blockers against a set
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    11-30-2011 , 08:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PageUp
    Villain is basically never bluffing here so I don't think flatting is really a viable option. I guess I like CiB the most since villain may fold some of his weak Ax hands to a shove but will prob at least call with one pair and may shove if he has 2 pair (and will def shove better sets).
    just bc he isnt bluffing that doesnt make calling "not a viable option". i mean a sentence later you included one pair in his range, if we think that he's the type to do this with like AT or something to "see where he's at" then its possible calling is > raising bc they might get away from it if we raise.

    also did no one see preflop? i mean im not folding bc lolsetsarehardtomake but im not like super fistpumping. KK/AA are very conceivable parts of his range.

    im pretty sure id just call and do something that doesnt involve folding on A/K rivers.
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    11-30-2011 , 08:21 PM
    Why would you fold on A/K rivers? Seems like you should absolutely not fold on these.
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    11-30-2011 , 08:31 PM
    i wouldnt fold, i was just saying that i would consider any non-fold option on most non A/K rivers, where as on A/K rivers i could see folding based on timing/sizing and absolutely wouldn't raise for value
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    11-30-2011 , 08:39 PM
    oh I mis-read oops. Thought you said you would fold on A/K river not, wouldnt
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    11-30-2011 , 08:47 PM
    I am consider folding because (1) villain hasn't 3 bet yet, and I think there is a good chance he doesn't raise AJ pre OOP, (2) he checks the flop, (3) he CIBs the turn. Yes, I weighed his range heavily towards AA/KK because he could check the flop with AA fearing that there was little chance any opponent had a hand, or with KK because he hated the A on the flop but loved the turn card. Honestly I think his range is largely AA/KK/AK, with very very few AJ type hands, which is why I may call turn and fold on A or K rivers.

    Yea, villain sucks, probably because he can't hand read. I can read hands a little bit. Might as well take advantage of the fish in this buy-in who take very transparent lines with the nuts, amirite?
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