20/40k blinds, 40k bb ante. Playing 5 way, there's a slight money jump but H is going for the win.

utg (1.2m) is an older gent, but doesn't play like OMC. About two orbit prior to this hand, chip leader opened form ep (6 handed) and v 3b KQ. Villain has 3b H when H opened bu or co.

SB (2.5m) has been doing what a big stack is supposed to do. He has not been flatting too much pre, raising first in, 3b decent amount here n there.

H is in BB (900k) has not been out of line, been playing pretty straight forward since H is sandwiched between the two big stacks.

utg opens 2.5bb to 100k, folds to sb who flats, H has KQo and ships 840k

Thoughts? Is this a no-brainer ship? Flat and decide? Or apply all the pressure on UTG?

Can’t say much here without knowing the other stacks. That being said it’s probably +cev shove but w icm factors that are hard to know without knowing all stack sizes at the table
Sorry you lost

two other stacks were 600k and maybe 280k, but as I said I was going for the win not move up.

If you are playing to maximize $EV, you should be concerned about moving up, but not overly concerned about moving up.

Yea I agree with this. Hmm this is such an odd spot. When you find folds which I feel you will with 2nd flat a lot.... this is great. I think I would sigh flat here and maybe stack off due to low spr on tp gk flops. Think I wouldn’t ship here due to fact others can bust before you.

I was talking with guy that finished 2nd I believe a lot today and he’s a solid player. I would go for the lower variance route here at a FT. I feel 20+ bbs is a lot to ship here if you aren’t really confident you find 2 folds.

Are you the track suit guy? If so I remember you with that spiffy Ed hardy track suit (I think it was hardy).

I was not the track suit guy. I had a black/red live lucky hat on. I read one of your hands you wrote about in the 600 tourney. Were you wearing a ring, in s6 at table 15 or 16 with Aaron Messey (he was a short stack wearing a black shirt at s4 i believe).



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Yea that was most likely me. I have long hair and typical wear a hat so yea if I had a ring on.... was me. Best of luck in the series.

Hi there,
Let's take a look what SIMETRIC GTO SIMS tells us:

UTG OR 20bb eff.
https://prnt.sc/13mbo4a

SB CALL vs UTG OR 20bb eff.
https://prnt.sc/13mbpud

BB vs UTG OR and SB CALL
https://prnt.sc/13mbr6h

With this references in mind we could start playing with both ranges and check where's the line which KQo becomes a shove, let's see what HRC has to say.

Solid UTG OR
https://prnt.sc/13mcio4

SB CALL vs UTG OR
https://prnt.sc/13mck8k

4B/Call for both vilans
https://prnt.sc/13mcl9i

HERO SHOVE ADJ. BY 10% AA EDGE
https://prnt.sc/13mcnau
https://prnt.sc/13mco15

So the takeaways are at the end of the day shoving is a very nice chip ev spot to take if you run this sims with ICM it could probably be leaning much more towards a pure call if the payout structure is very top heavy I'd take this spot for sure, if it's more flat out I'd consider flat if I'd a lot sucess before stealing the blinds, cbeting and taking the pot and how likely the other players are to colide. KQo has a huge EV shoving so in vacum I'd shove for sure.

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Those other two stack sizes make it a clear flat.

Shoving probably wins chips but definitely loses money. I know you say that you are playing for first and not worried about pay jumps but that is the wrong mindset to have if you are trying to maximize profit at a final table, unless its a PKO or some other format where 1st gets an unusually high % of the prize pool.

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Thanks for the response.

I ended up making back-to-back final tables and realized that trying to go for first was likely a mistake. As Deuceblocker mentioned, maximizing EV would've been the better approach. In order to maximize EV, I should've flatted and proceeded/waited for the shorter stacks to bust.

the flop ran Jxx, which goes xx, tQx I likley xc or b/f. Main villain had AQ and SB also had AQ.

I'm just now transitioning into MTT so will have a much better idea how to navigate a final table in the future.