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10-21-2018 , 08:48 PM
Hey all, just got back from a trip to borgata and have some hands I would like feedback on.

100k gtn 400 buy in mtt- first, we are close to bubble (45 left and 36 cash)and I have 14 bbs after break. I’m not playing to min cash here and wanna get some chips and not have to fold myself down to a comical stack where we hav don
Shot to win if we do cash. Ok so first my image is agg tard. I’ve shown some bluffs and have shown 2 piles that were light to live standards. I first showed a 20bb pile of kd4d in a sb vs bb hand where bb thinks hard and mucks a-10 face up. I kinda go prolly a call against my ship range there and guy tries to defend it as he doesn’t want to bubble yada yada.i chip down to 143k at 5/10k w 10k bb ante. First hand back from break and I rip a kx in sb vs bb hand and we get a fold (I don’t show the hand). Next hand we have 14.3 bbs and get all folds when I’m 1 off button. I have a2o and rip it in. We get called by the bb who looks like a solid mtt reg. He shows aq and we lose. Do I ever fold here due to icm considerations? We can prolly find better spot and min cash is 731 which isn’t bad I guess. I say don’t pass spots like this as the shove is +ev according to charts and I wanna not fiddle down to a short stack of 3-6 bbs in the money as I wanna a win and not some measly min cash lol. Due to my image do we ever just pass on this spot as they know I’m shoving wide and correct here?
Don’t want to sound like a dick, but I feel I have a solid edge in a big mtt like this against standard live players. I feel with a big stack and slight run good, I prolly pwn in the money here if I have a stack to play agg with and c bet in position since most players need to play fit/fold on shallow stacks.


Hand 2- different tourny near the bubble, we get to play 5-6 in the sb late with say 30 bbs. I complete after 2 player limps from mp and bb checks(I wasn’t worried he would raise as he was standard passive live player who isn’t going to isolate without a great hand + he was short) flop is 663 with two clubs and a diamond. Oop, I check and we get checks back. Turn is a 10 of diamonds and I lead for say half pot. We get a call from bb and mp mucks. River is a q of diamonds and I lead for 40k. Big blind thinks and rips 113k in. Do I ever fold here. I called and he had 7d3d. I maybe should take a check call line here? Thanks for any thoughts on how to play hand in a better manner. I’m going to guess I should lead flop and bet more on turn which would occur if I bet flop. Is this just an unlucky spot or should I take a different line? I thought my opponent was polarized with a nutty/bluff type hand so I called. Any ways we can play this better? Ugh I hate spots where I have to play against bb in limped pots as their ranges tend to be wide and only get chips in with great hands. I didn’t feel isoing pre would be prudent as my stack was shallow and I would be most likely play a hand oop against a standard live player. I feel initial limper most likely calls a iso raise pre and will make my life miserable out of position with a semi junky hand when stacks are so shallow.

Last edited by Jkpoker10; 10-21-2018 at 09:00 PM.
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10-22-2018 , 01:47 AM
1st hand stacks of button sb and bb are important. Shove is +ev tho
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10-22-2018 , 04:56 AM
Second hand. If we decide to lead river, we have to fold if raised especially vs BB "passive live player who isn’t going to isolate without a great hand +".

If we can't fold if raised, we take the line check call.

What are his possible hands when he call turn bet with 2 players left to act ?
-Q with two pair. Wouldn't go all in on us on river
-Spade flush draw. Will very likely fold to a bet river. Could sometimes attempt a bluff river when checked.
-Diamond flush draw. Will go all in a sometimes when bet at on river. BTW isn't that a mistake given the small flush and the paired board ?
-Some combo draw that would've missed. Will very likely fold to a bet river. Could sometimes attempt a bluff river when checked.

Clear fold when raised all in. If he bluffed, give him credit for a good bluff...
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10-22-2018 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Hey all, just got back from a trip to borgata and have some hands I would like feedback on.

100k gtn 400 buy in mtt- first, we are close to bubble (45 left and 36 cash)and I have 14 bbs after break. I’m not playing to min cash here and wanna get some chips and not have to fold myself down to a comical stack where we hav don
Shot to win if we do cash. Ok so first my image is agg tard. I’ve shown some bluffs and have shown 2 piles that were light to live standards. I first showed a 20bb pile of kd4d in a sb vs bb hand where bb thinks hard and mucks a-10 face up. I kinda go prolly a call against my ship range there and guy tries to defend it as he doesn’t want to bubble yada yada.i chip down to 143k at 5/10k w 10k bb ante. First hand back from break and I rip a kx in sb vs bb hand and we get a fold (I don’t show the hand). Next hand we have 14.3 bbs and get all folds when I’m 1 off button. I have a2o and rip it in. We get called by the bb who looks like a solid mtt reg. He shows aq and we lose. Do I ever fold here due to icm considerations? We can prolly find better spot and min cash is 731 which isn’t bad I guess. I say don’t pass spots like this as the shove is +ev according to charts and I wanna not fiddle down to a short stack of 3-6 bbs in the money as I wanna a win and not some measly min cash lol. Due to my image do we ever just pass on this spot as they know I’m shoving wide and correct here?
Don’t want to sound like a dick, but I feel I have a solid edge in a big mtt like this against standard live players. I feel with a big stack and slight run good, I prolly pwn in the money here if I have a stack to play agg with and c bet in position since most players need to play fit/fold on shallow stacks.


Hand 2- different tourny near the bubble, we get to play 5-6 in the sb late with say 30 bbs. I complete after 2 player limps from mp and bb checks(I wasn’t worried he would raise as he was standard passive live player who isn’t going to isolate without a great hand + he was short) flop is 663 with two clubs and a diamond. Oop, I check and we get checks back. Turn is a 10 of diamonds and I lead for say half pot. We get a call from bb and mp mucks. River is a q of diamonds and I lead for 40k. Big blind thinks and rips 113k in. Do I ever fold here. I called and he had 7d3d. I maybe should take a check call line here? Thanks for any thoughts on how to play hand in a better manner. I’m going to guess I should lead flop and bet more on turn which would occur if I bet flop. Is this just an unlucky spot or should I take a different line? I thought my opponent was polarized with a nutty/bluff type hand so I called. Any ways we can play this better? Ugh I hate spots where I have to play against bb in limped pots as their ranges tend to be wide and only get chips in with great hands. I didn’t feel isoing pre would be prudent as my stack was shallow and I would be most likely play a hand oop against a standard live player. I feel initial limper most likely calls a iso raise pre and will make my life miserable out of position with a semi junky hand when stacks are so shallow.
Hand 2 - Why is it you check the flop? When the stacks are shallow here Id want to get as much money in the pot as possible to get a double up. Id probably lead as there are fair amount of draws there and also have a chance someone might raise bluff if you are an aggy player. Your thoughts? On the river what bluffs do you see the bb having? I think that the draws that missed are ones from the flop but the bb is likely to bet these out on the flop rather than check. His line does look a lot like diamond flushes and better 6s/ full house.

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10-22-2018 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
1st hand stacks of button sb and bb are important. Shove is +ev tho
I wanna say the button had 12-18 bbs and was folding too often to jams, small
Blind 15-20bbs, and bb has 25-35bbs? Not sure on exact #s but they were in range I just stated. I had shortest stack at the table.
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10-22-2018 , 12:14 PM
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Hand 2 - Why is it you check the flop? When the stacks are shallow here Id want to get as much money in the pot as possible to get a double up. Id probably lead as there are fair amount of draws there and also have a chance someone might raise bluff if you are an aggy player. Your thoughts? On the river what bluffs do you see the bb having? I think that the draws that missed are ones from the flop but the bb is likely to bet these out on the flop rather than check. His line does look a lot like diamond flushes and better 6s/ full house.

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I check flop bc I’m out of position against 2 players and hope I can induce a bluff/ bad bet from worse I guess. I feel max I’m getting out of hand is 2 streets of value so I take a check/ call/raise line depending on possible bet sizing. As played, I prolly should just lead flop to work on building a pot and not allow free cards I guess. I felt if I bet, I’m getting lots of folds and want to keep players around with possible high cards so maybe we can bloat pot against a hand like jq/etc on later streets of they hit turn or river.
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10-22-2018 , 12:15 PM
Hand 1 - as you said with your image at that time it encourages your opponents to (correctly) call wider if they're solid players. A2o plays poorly if called so if your goal is to win and you have a solid edge why make the higher variance play? Shoving is better for players who don't play well post flop and have no edge.

Hand 2 - bet the flop especially multiway to build a pot. And blast the turn if you're willing to call a river raise when a draw comes in. I agree with BiggAli the villain is very rarely bluffing the river when he gets to limp in from the BB (and he calls your turn bet with players behind). Either check/call or bet/fold.
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10-22-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MOnes
Hand 1 - as you said with your image at that time it encourages your opponents to (correctly) call wider if they're solid players. A2o plays poorly if called so if your goal is to win and you have a solid edge why make the higher variance play? Shoving is better for players who don't play well post flop and have no edge.

Hand 2 - bet the flop especially multiway to build a pot. And blast the turn if you're willing to call a river raise when a draw comes in. I agree with BiggAli the villain is very rarely bluffing the river when he gets to limp in from the BB (and he calls your turn bet with players behind). Either check/call or bet/fold.
Hand 1 I have 14 bbs and we need to chop up. 2.5 bbs in pot and I increase my stack if we win without showdown + we still can win against calling hands. Only one player was going to call correctly in this spot (big blind). The 2 other players were def worried about bubble and are calling much less than they should so there is no way they are correctly calling my jamski. I don’t think I have an edge with 14 bbs bc I cant really play postflop. What am I going to min open, Cbet and fold when I bluff (big % of my stack) bc that was happening at my table as prolly 3-4 players were really solid Mtters. (Aka prolly better than me in live scene just due to experience. I’ve played maybe 50-60 live mtts and don’t have a lot of deep experience in 300-400 bi mtts)

Btw is a-10 ever a call against my 20bb effective shove with k4 from sb. I think folding a10 to a young internet kid is pretty bad when I’m going to be shoving super wide and have already shown lots of aggro play. I know it’s super high variance to call a 20 bb above with a-10 but I feel it’s a great spot to Accumulate chips.
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10-22-2018 , 12:37 PM
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Btw is a-10 ever a call against my 20bb effective shove with k4 from sb. I think folding a10 to a young internet kid is pretty bad when I’m going to be shoving super wide and have already shown lots of aggro play. I know it’s super high variance to call a 20 bb above with a-10 but I feel it’s a great spot to Accumulate chips.
I'm always calling with A10 against an agro especially one who sees me as a nit. I actually see that as lower variance than your shove with A2o.
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10-22-2018 , 04:20 PM
I’ll throw one more hand I wanna check:

So at 3/6k I had 180k, at a 7 handed table, it goes folds to button who limped prolly a 30-40 bb stack(unsure what he had but it was solid stack size). He’s a younger player that looks like he is decent. Has played semi aggro when playing hands during the later stages so I feel he’s a solid player. I’m in bb with 69o and check it to see a flop (small blind doesn’t complete). Flop is 4-5-7 rainbow. I check and opponent prolly bets 12k and I call. Turn is an A. (Suits are irrelevant here). I check and opponent bets 25k. I think and rip my stack in. My thought process is he has almost 0 aces in his range as I feel he opens any ace on his stack size. Have seen this player play active pre so I don’t think he ever limps any ace on button pre here. Opponent mulls it oved and folds. Is this like an easy rip spot to take it down on turn? I def was a little worried when he didn’t insta muck but we take it down and woman solid sized pot.
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10-22-2018 , 04:26 PM
With 96o and that flop in the BB I'm betting all day long. Hits your range way better than his and you have outs to improve if he calls.

Ripping the turn as played was OK but I would have been more aggressive on the flop and just double barreled instead.
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