Hi all,

my first post here

Payouts are:
32k
24k
17k
13k

stacks are
Villain CU 78bb
BU 45bb
SB 24bb
Hero BB 27bb, holds Qc3c

Villain is raising as chip leader basically every hand, getting a lot of folds. he cbets close to 85%

Villain raises to 2bb, folds, Hero calls for 1bb
Flop: 3s7h2c
Hero bets 2bb, Villain raises 5bb, hero calls
Turn: 8c
Hero Shoves ~18bb

Wrong/Right?

I will not post his hand for the moment to not bias the discussion.



Peter

Nice run!

OTT, what part of his flop raising range are you targeting for a fold when you donk-jam? When you donk flop, do you expect to induce lots of light raises?

Are you even gunning for a fold here (i.e. are you bluffing), or is this turn jam more of a merge/protection bet to prevent him from bluffing you? Would you call a jam from villain if you had checked the turn instead? Do you think he's sick enough to call it off w/ A-high?

And if V cbets insanely wide and he knows you know that (which he probably does know that) then he never puts you on a set or 2pr, those likely never donk flop.

Could work at a FT for the sheer reason it sucks to lose 1/3 your stack in a single hand at this stage so V calls it off much narrower than he would otherwise, but V is still 2nd in chips if he loses, I don't see him folding an overpair (all overpairs have basically the same value against your range here anyway) and you obviously beat most everything that isn't an overpair so most of the time you fold out worse and get called by better, in other words villain plays perfectly against you. That 8c is a really dry card from V's perspective IMO and doesn't imcrease your fold equity. Your pair needs little protection because two-overs combos have four outs.

I certainly applaud your ambition. It's a sick line you took. Sounds like you ultimately saw his hand, very interested to see how this one went down (but hopefully you get several more responses before ending the suspense!)

BTW you don't have to choose btwn jam or x/f turn, you can definitely xrai sometimes too, which accomplishes the same thing as donk-jamming does (As far as protection and merging go) with the added benefit of having villain pump in more chips. His range for b/c the turn is pretty much the same as his range for calling your jam, and the portion of his turn betting range that folds to a xrai is pretty much the same portion of his range that arrives to the turn and folds to your jam.

Ahh, that is exactly what I had hoped for Good questions you are asking - Lots of food for thought. Thank you for reply, jl. I will have to digest that and formulate my own answers.

Don't see why you don't just let him cbet if he's faithfully donating to the pot ~85%.

^^

Yep tough sell donking into CL with high cb, just x/c and see what develops ott. You literally can't go wrong with checking 100% of your defending range here.

Obviously check otf. Why would we lead otf, esp w/ this situation/villain?

What was your plan ui ott if villain had just called otf? Why betting was better in your opinion?

c/c flop
c/c turn
c/decide river
You aren’t folding out many better hands at any stage and have decent odds to call at every point

Thx for all your feedback! What did I learn?

On the flop:
Clear consensus: I should have checked and generally taken a more defensive line. Why did I bet? I was thinking that I had good chances of being ahead. Also there are many turns that would allow me to barrel again. My bet was less for value but more for protection. I would have been happy to take the pot right there. His check/raise was very polarizing for me. He could have either a strong hand, or was bluffing to make me fold (ICM pressure on me).


On the turn: I had picked up quite some equity. My mistake was that I thought, that I would also have some fold equity. As jl pointed out: What hands could I make fold, that c/r the flop? none, except pure bluffs. So in the long run not a profitable play. Villain snap calls and turns over 2h3h.

What would have been the alternative on the turn with different lines such as c/c flop c/? on the turn? My jam was also induced by my unwillingness to give up so much equity (after been a little bit card dead).

Assume the I check the turn and villains bets in such a way that I would have the correct odds to call. Would you guys call just for the odds, although it would cripple your stack by more then 30%?