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07-22-2018 , 09:41 AM
PS Hot $22.

PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 8 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 36.98 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 82.03 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP+2): 70.58 BB
CO: 109.93 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BTN: 86.97 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 77.25 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 80.35 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 94.75 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 83.07 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.22 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 6.83 BB, fold

Guys I am wondering whether we can 4-bet for bluff here? I guess that we better have hands from both of the top and bottom of our open range in 4-bet range. 33 is probably the worst hand I raise pre here, would fold 22. Hence, 4-bet here seems very enticing..No?
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07-22-2018 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
Why is a 4-bet enticing? Seems like just button clicking. 33 has no blockers, bad equity post flop and we have no reads. Also, it's early in a small stakes MTT. No need to be going crazy.

Okay, but what type of hands would be actually enticing for 4-bet for bluff?
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07-22-2018 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
Okay, but what type of hands would be actually enticing for 4-bet for bluff?
Suited bways, suited As, AJ, KQo etc.
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07-23-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
Okay, but what type of hands would be actually enticing for 4-bet for bluff?
The best hands you don't think are good enough to call with. Having an ace is important when 4betting to reduce AA/AK combo's. So something like ATo or A5s.
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07-24-2018 , 12:39 AM
Nothing enticing about 4 betting with 3’s here, I don’t know I just don’t see it.. If you had even a slight read on the player stats or something even a hand as bad as 23s that is easy as hell to let go I’d say go for it and GL.
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07-24-2018 , 03:15 PM
LYA BRAH
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07-24-2018 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
The best hands you don't think are good enough to call with. Having an ace is important when 4betting to reduce AA/AK combo's. So something like ATo or A5s.
+1 but not convinced that A2s-A5s aren't profitable* defends at 70bbs eff (they def are vs the pop at 100bbs)...assuming SB has a 3bet/f range here AQo is def a profitable defend so AJo+ATo sound ok**...

I think it's a mistake to use sooted combos of anything decent vs this lol 3ball sizing since we really shouldn't be folding any if them.

And btw...never too early to 4ball ...you just need a read to do it...

*loses less than folding...
**at a low freq
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07-25-2018 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by erc007
+1 but not convinced that A2s-A5s aren't profitable* defends at 70bbs eff (they def are vs the pop at 100bbs)...assuming SB has a 3bet/f range here AQo is def a profitable defend so AJo+ATo sound ok**...

I think it's a mistake to use sooted combos of anything decent vs this lol 3ball sizing since we really shouldn't be folding any if them.

And btw...never too early to 4ball ...you just need a read to do it...

*loses less than folding...
**at a low freq
+1 to Soep' and +1 to you / 70bb eff vs weaker V 3b, we can still def suited Ax and some broadway/connectors combos profitably imho
Depends on read/sizing and dynamics tho
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07-26-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
The best hands you don't think are good enough to call with. Having an ace is important when 4betting to reduce AA/AK combo's. So something like ATo or A5s.
this

and 33s are very easy defend vs 3bet here IP
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07-26-2018 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
this

and 33s are very easy defend vs 3bet here IP
and this
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07-26-2018 , 11:04 AM
definitely 4betting is the worst of 3 options at this stack depth..

4bet with PPs when we have fold equity and we're short enough to jam. not good candidates to 4bet bluff at 60 bb+

in this hand i'd flat here you're getting correct implied odds and you'll stack them often when you hit your set
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