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Old 07-12-2018, 12:18 PM   #1
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3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

blinds are 5k 10k my stack is 195k villain has me covered.
hero is in bb folds to the villain in sb who completes. Hero has AsAd5s6h and raises the pot to 30k. villain calls 20k more from sb. brief history with villain ive bet river 3 times and got called by villain always had it and villain is by far the loosest player at the table.

flop 8c 7c 6d
villain checks hero checks
turn 4d
villain leads 48k into pot of 60k
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:29 PM   #2
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

You have no outs to any nut hands and your 5 blocker here works against you since it weighs his preflop range more towards the wrap hands that have you drawing dead. Adding in that he has shown you winners I think it’s a pretty good spot to fold.

Feels like a pretty awful spot to just call hoping an unlikely chop holds up (or that V was semi-bluffing and missed).

Hard to believe V isn’t betting either a hand that has you drawing dead or a hand with a ton of equity moving forward. I don’t think he’s leading a naked two pair into the board. Seems more likely he’d check-call his medium strength hands and straights that you’re chopping with.

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Old 07-12-2018, 12:54 PM   #3
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

Call bud. I'd bet/fold flop small tho. 18k. Don't mind the check.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:11 PM   #4
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

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You have no outs to any nut hands and your 5 blocker here works against you since it weighs his preflop range more towards the wrap hands that have you drawing dead. Adding in that he has shown you winners I think itís a pretty good spot to fold.

Feels like a pretty awful spot to just call hoping an unlikely chop holds up (or that V was semi-bluffing and missed).

Hard to believe V isnít betting either a hand that has you drawing dead or a hand with a ton of equity moving forward. I donít think heís leading a naked two pair into the board. Seems more likely heíd check-call his medium strength hands and straights that youíre chopping with.
i was saying that whenever i bet the river and he called me in previous spots ive always had the winner
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:17 PM   #5
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i was saying that whenever i bet the river and he called me in previous spots ive always had the winner
Ok, I misunderstood that. Still not sure how much it sways my opinion since you still have essentially a medium-strength bluff-catcher (and your bluff catcher increases his value hands). Also, in this case you aren’t betting, he is. Just feels like a really mediocre spot overall to possibly blow off 60-70% of your stack if you call a blank river and you were drawing dead. If you had some outs on the river I’d say this is a clear call and re-evaluate situation.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:40 PM   #6
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

Ya it's not a great spot but we have to call, there are already so many hands we have to fold on this turn, we can't start folding straights. it's not like we're up against a nit either
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:38 PM   #7
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Ya it's not a great spot but we have to call, there are already so many hands we have to fold on this turn, we can't start folding straights. it's not like we're up against a nit either
i 100% agree all options kind of suck, but folding i believe is the worst of the 3 options. its not like we would fold a jack high flush on the turn to a bet or bottom set on a Q 10 6 2 board so folding isnt in my plans.

if i had 400k in chips i believe call is best option i have 165k so calling the 48k chip bet then leaving our stack at less than 12 bb before we play the river seemed pretty awful in my mind also.

i ended up shipping it does seem a tad spewy, but i really thought alot about this spot and im not much for tanking. i thought charging all draws and gambling seemed best and possibly getting villain to fold a bottom end straight
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:03 AM   #8
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

I get why you made that decision but it still seems pretty weird to me, I don't see what's wrong with calling 30% of our stack on turn, it's a pretty standard thing that happens in MTTs in low SPR spots.

If you're gonna shove turn you really need a hand that has a chance to improve imo, you might fold a chop occasionally here but otherwise you're rarely getting called by worse, so again it's just an odd line to take with this combo. Shoving would make more sense with something like 88, where you deny equity to fds, and have outs when you gii behind.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:28 AM   #9
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

Call unless you have a read that can turn it into something else. I don't think a fold is THAT unreasonable vs this sizing, but given how overpair/overcard heavy we are after raising pre and checking flop it's not very good from a theoretical standpoint. His sizing probably also means that he's calling it off even if he is drawing with a double flushdraw or nfd+pair+gutter or something. The double flushdraw is almost to your advantage here, you can consider shoving a diamond with the Ad if checked to and a club will make it very hard for T9 without clubs to bet. You don't have a lot of straights but you do have a lot of high flushes if they come in. Use your position.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:01 PM   #10
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Re: 3k 6 max plo 5 tables left tough spot

thanks for all the replies i really struggled with this hand and thought about alot of different scenarios appreciate all input
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