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08-20-2018 , 10:22 PM

toich123

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2

Villain 1 Vpip:34% PFR: 17% Opened 43% of hands in early position.

Villain 2 very aggressive, he checked raised me multiple times when i cbet flops and will 3b in position quite often with good hands. Never went to showdown.

Villain 3 Vpip: 34% PFR: 17%. i feel he just called in position with banana hand.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T70/T140
Buy-in: $5+$15+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit
PokerStars
9 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T5,390)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T12,674)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T8,610)
MP - MP (T5,000)
MP2 - MP2 (T3,162)
CO - CO (T15,216)
BTN - BTN (T25,619)
SB - Hero (T10,514)
BB - BB (T4,629)

Preflop: (T399, 9 players) Hero is SB with T

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to T385, UTG+2 calls T385, 3 folds, BTN calls T385, Hero raises to T2,100, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls T1,715, 2 folds

Flop: 4

(T5,299, 2 players)
Hero bets T2,520
Thoughts?

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08-20-2018 , 11:58 PM

poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

With this many players in the pot, I really hate a 3bet here. Even if players have light ranges, we're likely to get called by multiple players and ATo plays very poorly multiway.

Just fold it.

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08-21-2018 , 03:20 AM

cizixap

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

in fact what would we 3-bet here for bluff? probably nothing?

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08-21-2018 , 03:22 AM

RalphWaldoEmerson

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,963

banana hand? plz explain this expression bc it sounds fun and i wanna use it

looks like a good spot for a sqz but I'd prob try to combo select a bit better, this hand is pretty garbage against a callsqz range.
AP I guess you kinda have to cbet once, although FE looks dicey, and barreling opportunities are mediocre.

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08-21-2018 , 03:26 AM

cizixap

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

RWE, do you know "watermelon bet"?

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08-21-2018 , 05:49 AM

swissodds

adept

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,103

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

banana hand? plz explain this expression bc it sounds fun and i wanna use it
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lol this

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08-21-2018 , 05:52 AM

swissodds

adept

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,103

As already said, ATo plays pretty poorly in that precise spot.
I would fold pre (and sometimes overflat when that many players called and when i know the table to be very very weak) but anyway, I would fold most of the time.
As played, i ve to agree with polo, seems like you have to cb once eventhough the whole thing sucks ball

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08-21-2018 , 09:52 AM

poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

I'm not 3betting a polarized range here. I'm 3betting a merged value range, albeit one that's pretty wide to take advantage of the fact that the PFR's range is much wider than normal.

ATo is probably just outside that range, but still outside of it. I think we can go (88+, A9s+, AJo+, JTs+, KQo)

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08-21-2018 , 10:09 AM

underdeveloped

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 159

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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

With this many players in the pot, I really hate a 3bet here. Even if players have light ranges, we're likely to get called by multiple players and ATo plays very poorly multiway.

Just fold it.

You're never completing here for the price? Albeit OOP and A10 won't function great multiway vs vill ranges, feels like it's good enough price for us to squeeze in there.

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08-21-2018 , 12:17 PM

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poloplaya1414

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by underdeveloped

You're never completing here for the price? Albeit OOP and A10 won't function great multiway vs vill ranges, feels like it's good enough price for us to squeeze in there.

No I think ATo realizes equity terribly here in this spot.

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08-22-2018 , 01:32 PM

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toich123

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I just hate calling preflop OOP with my hand. I’ll miss most flops and when I hit, I’m not sure where I’m at with regards to 10 kicker; or overpair if we hit a 10. I guess the ultimate play would be to fold Pre as mentioned above.

So A10 in that spot has no value to even attempt to play in this spot? What about A10 suited or would that be just a flat pre OOP with same opponents?

Haha, I don’t know where I heard Banana hand term. But I’m my interpretation it’s usually a random suited connector type hand that will play good in a multi way pot but not heads up?

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08-22-2018 , 04:05 PM

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poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

I think with ATs you could go either way. Against someone who's truly opening 43% of hands, I think it's an easy 3bet, but check your sample and make sure you actually believe that.

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