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03-19-2018 , 09:25 PM
€300 600/1200/100

Last hand of day 1.

Effective stacks ~47k

UTG opens to 3k
MP+1 (Hero) calls JdJc
3 more callers

Pot: ~18k
Flop: 589ss
2 checks, UTG
Hero bets 8.5k
All fold, except UTG calls

Pot: 35k
Turn: Qhh
UTG checks
Hero (35k behind)?

UTG few orbits at the table. Has the biggest stack.
Check/called earlier big potbet with fd.
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03-20-2018 , 05:11 AM
Tough spot.
You did not raise pre. Which is most of the time a mistake.
Post flop you are in position vs V but still with close to no info getting 4 oppos in the pot.
No info on V -> objective range: broadways, sets, overpair, some flush draws (think he would cbet most of his flush draws+sets on such a draw heavy texture).
Because you did not raise preflop and because you are 5 people into that pot, i dont see much merit in betting this flop that smashes oppos ranges.
You should play carefully and check call flop as long as you did not 3b pre and as long as you created that tricky spot. If you did so, i guess you are not willing to get it in on such a flop vs 4 players with "only" jacks.
Turn-> J10, QJ, Q10 got there although you block J10 and QJ it is still part of his range.
I would play carefully without giving any timing tell and check back turn.
re evaluate river (at this point, you still have 30 ish biggs which is enough to end your day)
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03-20-2018 , 01:39 PM
I'm checking behind as well though this makes river more difficult for us. If its a safeish river probably calling though we won't be beating much. Also probably checking back.

Villain has some flush draws that got there and some that missed. Not sure AQ/KQ is calling flop given he can be drawing dead.
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03-20-2018 , 01:39 PM
I'd 3bet pre here. Deeper I would just call, but more value in taking it down at these stacks.

As played, I think the flop bet is the right move to fold out junk that has a little bit of equity against you, but I'd bet a hair more like 10K.

On turn, I'm not particularly scared of the queen. He may have some queens in his range, but more likely that he has a medium strength hand like 87 or a flush draw.

I'd check back and reevaluate river. If a blank comes, I'm never folding. I think we can induce bluffs from missed draws and weak hands like 87 will be more likely to call thinking we're on a missed draw ourselves.
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03-20-2018 , 04:16 PM
pre: could / should 3bet.
To bad he was only some orbits at your table. These last hands of the day are interesting. He is UTG and chipleader. So why risk loosing chips in your last hand while being fancy with some suited conn or one gappers? Or is he completely the opposite...

Flop, three checks in front of you including V. On such a draw heavy board he would bet his sets. Others would have bet their two pairs (89) so with only one player behind that did not act yet, your bet looks fine to clean the field and perhaps pick up the pot.

V calls your raise so V can still have two suited overs or AQ/AK with just one spade. Ofcouse 1010 QQ, KK and AA are still in his range.
Turn: Q
Almost no draws made their hand because you block two jacks.
Would check back.

What did you do?
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03-21-2018 , 07:43 AM
Some more info:
-table was 10-handed.
-hero called after 3 folds.
-smallest stack was 25k.

What range should I 3b pre?
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03-21-2018 , 08:47 AM
Should be 3 betting TT+ in your spot, JJ+ at the very least. Its not the worst play in the world to mix in some calls though. As played check back and evaluate river. Can put yourself in a tough spot but you've got the top of your range when you check back turn making a very nice bluff catcher
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03-21-2018 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Viezerik
Some more info:
-table was 10-handed.
-hero called after 3 folds.
-smallest stack was 25k.

What range should I 3b pre?
Definitely not 3b JJ pre if UTG opens 10 handed imo. More polar range, AK/QQ+ with some Ax/KQ type bluffs. For sure betting this flop when checked to us.
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03-21-2018 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Shortfuse
Definitely not 3b JJ pre if UTG opens 10 handed imo. More polar range, AK/QQ+ with some Ax/KQ type bluffs. For sure betting this flop when checked to us.
He should be wider than that at 40Bb effective stacks.
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03-21-2018 , 12:44 PM
So Hero checks.

Pot: 35k
River: 6h (board: 5s8h9sQh6h)
Villain bets 25k
Hero (35k behind)?

What is his range? And my action?
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03-21-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Viezerik
So Hero checks.

Pot: 35k
River: 6h (board: 5s8h9sQh6h)
Villain bets 25k
Hero (35k behind)?

What is his range? And my action?
Tough spot. I think his range is pretty polarized between 7x and missed FDs. 78 and 77 are loose UTG opens but definitely possible, and I can't think of too many other hands that take this line.

I'd try and bluff-catch a smaller bet, but his sizing makes me think he has it, so I fold.

In order to call I think you'd need to be convinced that he's capable of turning a hand like TT into a bluff.
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03-21-2018 , 06:09 PM
How many 7 can he have here? I'm calling.
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03-23-2018 , 08:04 PM
I decided to call.

Villain showed AcQs.
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03-24-2018 , 01:10 PM
probably just folding river because of sizing. i think that he is very likely xc with a hand like AQ or AK with a bd fl draw on the flop.
Online would probably just 3bet get in pre. Live like the line, just fold river. I think we can only hope for a missed AK. Even JT (unlikely) and QT hits the turn. think they are all in his x/c range and has a clear vb against your x ott. imo.
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03-27-2018 , 02:57 AM
fold pre and bag your chips, tell no-one
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03-27-2018 , 11:11 PM
I like the flat pre, and bet on the flop. I feel like hes cbetting all of his overpairs and flush draws, although some people might elect to x/c a fd on a board like this multiway since there's a lot of nutted hand possibilities that he has very little FE against. Although I think most of his x/c range is going to be combo draws that just want to realize their equity (78s, 65s, etc).

When he x/c flop and the Q comes on the turn I just jam, I think he has exclusively Qxss hands that we now lose to and we're letting a ton of other draws just freeroll us if we check behind. I'm pretty torn on the river (and I think this is why we bet turn) because a lot of the hands I think he might be x/c flop with just improved and we're now behind - but there are the obvious missed flush draws that we can bluffcatch against. Maybe we should be calling since we dont have the Js?
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