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08-17-2018 , 11:09 AM

rider891

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 32

Hi guys,
in this spot we are 4 left at the final table.

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9092307

I have shove JTo but when i had speak with an oppo after the torunament he said which thath shove is very very loose.

Wath do you think about?

Thanks!

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08-17-2018 , 12:05 PM

numberonedonk

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,181

Standard

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08-20-2018 , 04:22 PM

rider891

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 32

Ok thank you.
About this spot, i have try to analyze with Holdem Resource with 2 types of evaluation:

1) Malmut ICM (If i'm not wrong, that is used for analyze final table spots

2) Chip EV in Big Blinds

In first case, the shove result 0.00 and in the second case it result positive.
You can help me to understand these differences?

Thanks!

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08-21-2018 , 04:47 AM

swissodds

adept

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,103

Chip EV wise, this is pretty standard and correct - > that shove will make you money long term +0.10
ICM wise, you can reconsider that shove as it is breakeven longterm -> 0.00
Therefore, eventhough the shove is standard and + Chip EV, considering the ICM implications of being 4left at the FT, we can tighten up and wait for a better spot.
At least and imho, this is what i understood

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08-23-2018 , 02:54 PM

rider891

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Ok thank

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08-25-2018 , 01:52 PM

nomalice

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Originally Posted by swissodds

+1 to this approach

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08-25-2018 , 09:34 PM

numberonedonk

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Originally Posted by swissodds

ICM implications of being 4left at the FT, we can tighten up and wait for a better spot.

Even when the closest stack is about 3x ours? 12bbs are going to go real quick 4 handed.

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08-26-2018 , 08:18 AM

JSkelts

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 623

We're dead last here by a good margin I dont think there's much ICM to be worried about. If youd like I can run it in ICMizer if you post the payouts.

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