Early on day 2 of a 3 day $3500. I have 19BB. Main Villain is a top 5 chip stack with over 250BB. It is only the 6th hand, but MV is making his 3d raise.

Main Villain raises to 2.5 BB, same size for all 3 raises. I am on the button. Behind me is another short stack in the SB, with only 13BB. The BB has about 130BB.

What should my 3 bet shove range look like? I think I made a slightly -ev shove, but I am curious what your ranges here.

What position is villian? If late position, I’m prolly jamming 55+, jq+ kj+ a10+. If I have qq-aa prolly putting in small 3 bet though that allows for a psb on flop.

Much wider than optimal because at 19bb vs 250+ I have serious stack envy and f this guy

He was cutoff

How close are we to the money? There are tons of 3 day events where you're close to a mincash early on day 2.

EDIT: I guess this is less likely in a $3500, but still want to know

Very far. Registration is still open.

This.

If V is calling REALLY wide like {22+,A8s+,A5s,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,A9o+,KQo} then you can go even a little wider than this suggested range and still be a favorite vs his calling range.

I finally downloaded Holdem Resources to get an 'answer' to my question. The hand I held was K9o, which using their base assumptions, is not a shove. However, it did give a range for the cutoff that I thought was a bit too tight, given what I had seen, and chip stack size for main villain.

When I made the range just a little looser, KTo was now a small +ev shove. It would take some really wide range, around 50% (certainly possible) to get my shove in there.

Two things that made me a little more aggressive than, perhaps I should have been:

1. I was definitely below average for this field. My average buy in is in the $400 range, where I feel I am clearly plus ev. This was not the case here.
2. I wanted to send a message to the cutoff, he can't just open without some fear of getting 3 bet; if he folds I get some credit, if he calls, and wins, he will see I am willing to play back at him and perhaps slow him down some.

Perhaps reason 2 was poor, but I definitely got the vibe he viewed this table as his to run over.

He snapped with AKo, and I was out...

I consider reason 2 valid.

I don't like K9o shove at all even when he opens wide at ctf
I consider folding even KTo .KTS ,QJs,KJs seems more sensible

What range did you use for the cutoff? Its a cutoff open and villain isn't a nit so I think it's appropriate to use a really wide range there.

Also, holdem resources assumes push/fold right? I think 19 BBs deep I would like to have a flatting range, though if you're playing over your head and don't think you have a skill advantage, pure push/fold here can't be that bad.

Yes, I used their default 2.5BB for cutoff. It was something in the high 30s. I'd guess Villain was a bit looser than that. Yes, I didn't give myself the option of flatting. I doubt I'd flat at this stack depth, even in position. Maybe, I'd flat Aces and hope for a squeeze, but I am just going to jam my playable range here is a default.

Even if we give CO a 42% open range in HRC K9o is still a fold at 0.19 BB

I'd much rather shove T9s, 89s, Ax, PP's etc.

Also though 19bbs in a live tournament is still plenty and not a reason to spaz out just so we can "send a message to V". He has chips, you don't and there is nothing you can do about it right now IMO.

HRC says 32.4%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 86s+ 76s 65s

vs this open range

42.1%, 22+ Ax K5s+ K8o+ Q7s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 96s+ 98o 85s+ 87o 74s+ 64s+ 54s 43s

Yeah, I thought it was -ev after the fact, and HRC confirmed that for typical Villain ranges. In order for it to be even break even we need to assume a 50% range for Villain, which, while it could be the case it is a big assumption.

I did like the small bonus of the king blocker, which the smaller pairs and sc’s don’t have. Not only does it help vs Villain, it blocks big hands behind me too.

But you also have to consider a decent portion of his calling range is KT+ which has you dominated which is why I'd rather shove 98s/PP's than K9o.

I agree. The two factors are working against each other. Really, this comes down to how wide main Villain is opening.

I also learned how big the difference is between KT and K9.

Not that it means anything, but my two best hands in the first day both involved K9; One was a 2 street bluff catch after raising from the button; the other a check raise after defending BB on a T86 board...

Maybe I was subconsciously overvaluing K9