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01-10-2019 , 10:32 AM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 150/300 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 6,899 (VPIP: 25.84, PFR: 20.22, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 89)
Hero (UTG): 10,198
MP: 9,350 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 9,715 (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 19,486 (VPIP: 36.81, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 8.96, Hands: 165)
SB: 12,973 (VPIP: 22.53, PFR: 14.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 327)

6 players post ante of 40, SB posts SB 150, BB posts BB 300

Pre Flop: (pot: 690) Hero has T T

Hero raises to 900, fold, CO calls 900, BTN raises to 3,000

This is kind of a sick spot. I do believe BTN can be bluffing here or going too wide for value. He's an ACR reg and plays all the time. Never seen CO prior to this event.

There's a ton of dead money in there. Anyone ripping it in here?
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01-10-2019 , 11:20 AM
I guess you should. Button has such a pretty spot to make the squeeze here with CO playing too many hands and both you and CO having the perfect stack sizes to make it. Also his stats shows that he is perfectly capable of doing it.
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01-10-2019 , 12:45 PM
At a six-handed table I think this is a ship. Might consider folding 88-99 though so it is pretty close.
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01-10-2019 , 01:04 PM
Its sick spot indeed. Usually why should some one 3 bet light utg open? Usually there are hand which calles you AA,KK,QQ,AK
AQ,AJ,pairs usually just calls you
Why so big raise. Isnt 2x or 2,2x standard?
Just saying shiping ends usually being underdog...
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01-10-2019 , 01:30 PM
Tough spot. Given that it's 6 handed, 33 BB and villain has 3bet percentage of 9% based on a decent amount of hands (far from perfect information though), I'm getting it in here.
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01-10-2019 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
At a six-handed table I think this is a ship. Might consider folding 88-99 though so it is pretty close.
This is bottom of my shipping range as far as pairs go, for sure.

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Originally Posted by maletaja81
Its sick spot indeed. Usually why should some one 3 bet light utg open? Usually there are hand which calles you AA,KK,QQ,AK
AQ,AJ,pairs usually just calls you
Why so big raise. Isnt 2x or 2,2x standard?
Just saying shiping ends usually being underdog...
Remember this is 6-max so UTG is more like MP2 in a 9-max game. I'm RFI probably like 18-20% of hands here, at a minimum I'm opening {55+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, KJo+, QJo}, when I'm suddenly trapped OOP behind a flatter and a really strong looking 3bettor, there are plenty of hands in my open range I'm gonna fold. Which is why squeezing light and often should be attractive to V who's a reg, extremely capable, and knows how to win chips and tournaments.

My opening strategy is to always open 3x when 1st to act pre, from other positions I'll open for 2x-2.5x but 1st to act we're in such a disadvantageous position we need extra equity denial provided by larger sizing and also our strong range benefits from getting more money in now.



The reason I particularly like TT here is because all his broadway combos are unblocked and those naturally make up a big chunk of his light 3bet range.

Last edited by jl121; 01-10-2019 at 04:04 PM.
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01-10-2019 , 05:09 PM
The negative here is V calling range naturally plays us perfectly outside of foldinf AQ and AJs if you think he's getting that light with value. On the other hand he's going to be bluff heavy, just a great squeeze spot. I'm content to gii but not thrilled by it

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01-10-2019 , 08:26 PM
It sounds like a great spot for the reg with a bigger stack to squeeze and pressure the smaller ones. I think his range is fairly wide here. I don't like shipping but the alternative is worse, if you consistently fold in spots like this you're going to get bluffed and exploited.
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01-10-2019 , 08:48 PM
Meh. Doesn’t rly matter all 3 options are acceptable. Go with your read
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01-10-2019 , 10:06 PM
Probably a shove, but in game I might wait for better.
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01-10-2019 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TrumpEatsHisPoo
It sounds like a great spot for the reg with a bigger stack to squeeze and pressure the smaller ones. I think his range is fairly wide here. I don't like shipping but the alternative is worse, if you consistently fold in spots like this you're going to get bluffed and exploited.
Exactly. Either let the bully take your lunch money or fight back and maybe he still takes your lunch money and you get a black eye. Maybe you keep your lunch money. Maybe he gets the black eye. Better than letting him take your lunch money though here

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01-11-2019 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jl121
I'm opening {55+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, KJo+, QJo}
This is def too wide a range to be opening to 3x. Not completely opposed to opening to 3x if you have a tight range from EP.
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Originally Posted by jl121
my opening strategy is to always open 3x when 1st to act pre, from other positions I'll open for 2x-2.5x...
I'm assuming that you mean UTG...otherwise makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by jl121
The reason I particularly like TT here is because all his broadway combos are unblocked and those naturally make up a big chunk of his light 3bet range.
Depends how villain constructs his 3bet bluffing range...imo most regs use > Ax combos.

Overall this doesn't seem like a great spot with 10k eff...btn shouldnt be lite here very much getting 2 to 1 to call a jam with overlay. That said TT is way too strong to fold to a reg w 30bbs in 6 max.

I really prefer open to 675-725...then the squeeze can be to ~2500 and you can happily shove this for value (along with some bluffs with the added FE.)
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01-11-2019 , 03:44 AM
If you are opening 18-20%, defending is mandatory.

Agree that your range may be a bit too wide here, especially with the big stack who is a reg on the button.
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01-11-2019 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by erc007
This is def too wide a range to be opening to 3x. Not completely opposed to opening to 3x if you have a tight range from EP.


I'm assuming that you mean UTG...otherwise makes no sense.


Depends how villain constructs his 3bet bluffing range...imo most regs use > Ax combos.

Overall this doesn't seem like a great spot with 10k eff...btn shouldnt be lite here very much getting 2 to 1 to call a jam with overlay. That said TT is way too strong to fold to a reg w 30bbs in 6 max.

I really prefer open to 675-725...then the squeeze can be to ~2500 and you can happily shove this for value (along with some bluffs with the added FE.)
TY. How about something like {88+, ATs+, A2s-A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo}? Should clarify it's not like all those hands in the original range I gave are 100% opens, at a weak table is when I'd expand my opening range but at a reg-infested table for sure I'm closer to the latter than the former. The former was more to give an idea of the extent to which V may perceive me as being light. Really should have given some more background: I think I have bit of a spewy image at the table, due to how I was playing this particular event, as well as my history playing w/ V, so as far as V is concerned I can be quite wide here.

I think I agree with the smaller sizing, regardless of how wide of a range I'm opening here. It's something I was experimenting with, as I explain above my rationale is we're at such a disadvantageous position that we really need some extra equity denial preflop, and since we're never opening a stronger range than we are UTG our range benefits from bigger sizing.

But now I actually think I've got that backwards. If V's wanna play a pot, at 30bb eff they're gonna do it for 2bb, or 2.25bb, or 3bb--it doesn't matter, there is no extra equity denial w/ 3x, all we're doing is bloating the pot with vulnerable hands in ****ty position, and also ensuring that all 3bet pots become mostly all-in or fold spots--neither of these outcomes are ideal. So now I'm definitely convinced to use smaller sizing, experiment over.

Last edited by jl121; 01-11-2019 at 10:44 AM.
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01-11-2019 , 11:25 AM
Your preflop sizing definitely matters to the SB...
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01-11-2019 , 04:19 PM
looks like a standard shove to me, u guys play r playing too much 9max
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01-11-2019 , 04:32 PM
Shove, based on your spewy image and table size.
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01-11-2019 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
looks like a standard shove to me, u guys play r playing too much 9max
+1
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01-14-2019 , 12:05 PM
Spoiler:
I shove, CO flatter rejams w/ {KK}, 3bettor folds quickly. I think I was half right
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01-14-2019 , 11:08 PM
Its proly sumting like AQ+,TT+ decide 99 and fold AJ
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