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Old 03-17-2019, 10:13 PM   #1
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$250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Blinds are $3k-$5k, All effective stacks are in the range of 200k.

UTG makes it 15k, younger male. He gets one early caller.

I am on Button with AQs. I make it 35k.

Both flat.

Flop is AK7 two spades.

Both check to me. I shove.

UTG has AK.

I had recently been moved to this table. I had picked up some small pots. They had seen me just call 65k on the button previous round with A5 hearts to late position limper check raise. But that is all they had on me. I certainly wasn't labeled tight so no reason to think his AK wasn't reasonable ahead preflop.

My question is can I ever get away from this hand? Was I just unlucky or am I missing something? Was I wrong to think he would have 4 bet with AK preflop? Did I 3 bet a little light pre flop? If he calls 50k preflop does that weight AK heavier in his pre flop call range?

I can't let two players take the turn on a pretty connected board meaning flush and gut shots. I mean face cards appear to be dominant in their pre flop calls, right? So adding in the 100k pot size preflop and my remaining 160kish stack isn't my shove reasonable?

Am I missing ICM calculations here? Not that I really even understand ICM beyond plugging in final table payouts.

Can somebody just tell me how bad this was or if it was? Or do you just have to go broke sometimes?

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Old 03-17-2019, 11:00 PM   #2
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

3 bet bigger. 45-60k and Iím leaning 50-60k with flatter. Would rather play aq here headsup as opposed to against 2 Villians. Did you have 2 spades here? As played not sure why you are jamming over pot here. What is calling you here that you beat? Jamming is terrible In this spot.

With icm considerations, flatting might be right thing to do pre but Iím
Not Sure. See what others say.

As played, if you 3 bet, you better be willing to barrel low card flops. If you just check/ shutdown in spots like this, 3 betting here is atrocious.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:01 PM   #3
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Do you have AsQs?
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:23 AM   #4
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Nope, diamonds. I have to think the board hit their draws but the only two realistic hands that have me beat on the flop but don't 4 bet me pre flop are 77 and then I guess AK. I didn't want to see any more cards.

I was honestly ready to lay it down pre flop if I get four bet so my 3 bet was to gauge initial raiser strength. When the flop hits it feels like I have the best hand and I need to stop the draws.

But sounds like I was wrong
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:27 PM   #5
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Here, it depends on how bad you neeed to cash, 3 betting from the button with aqs is standard, your sizing was quite terrible however need to make 3.4x at least. However as played you bloated the pot preflop which puts you in this spot you were in, which hitting top pair q kicker and having almost pot size stack behind yes your going broke here. if you fold it becomes too exploitable and -ev i would say. SO since your close to the money and to lower variance overall just flat here in position and take a flop. Which your still going broke on unless it checks through on most streets. in genreal this is just a cooler. just my opinion
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:06 AM   #6
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

gameflow dependent, but flat pre and stay tight against an utg opening range post seems good. It’s ok to have a hand as strong as AQ in your call down range here.

neither 3!/f nor 3!/call appeal at any sizing
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:58 AM   #7
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

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3 bet bigger. 45-60k and Iím leaning 50-60k with flatter. Would rather play aq here headsup as opposed to against 2 Villians. Did you have 2 spades here? As played not sure why you are jamming over pot here. What is calling you here that you beat? Jamming is terrible In this spot.

With icm considerations, flatting might be right thing to do pre but Iím
Not Sure. See what others say.

As played, if you 3 bet, you better be willing to barrel low card flops. If you just check/ shutdown in spots like this, 3 betting here is atrocious.
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:33 AM   #8
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

I agree with what other people have said. your 3 bet sizing is terrible. It's an awkward stack size because if you 3 bet to 50 - 60K, you have to call a shove and won't be super happy. You can flat this on the button some % of the time.

The way you played it, you shouldn't be shoving the flop. You are letting the villains play their hand perfectly. You might get called by AJ or AT, but a lot of other things will fold. That being said, you aren't getting away from this hand on the flop with what's in the pot already. If you were to bet 40K - 70K, you are still going to have to call a shove here.
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:24 AM   #9
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

I don't think this is a 3bet preflop. AQs is strong, but it is not strong enough for a value 3bet against a UTG range and it seems a little too strong to turn into a 3bet bluff.

Then I don't think I shove the flop. Granted with the SPR of @2:1, you are going broke on this hand, but why overbet shove with what could now be a value bet. I think a small bet with the plan of a turn shove is a better plan for this hand. The flop shove just looks like scared poker.
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:57 AM   #10
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Weird spot. In a vacuum our hand is too strong to 100% flat even to the UTG open/UTG+2 call, but considering the villain's 3x open, our awkward stack size and ICM implications I probably flat this the majority of the time.

As played bet 40-50% pot with the intention of calling off.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:54 PM   #11
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Re: $250 Live MTT 5 from the money

Any real reads on your opponents or have you just recently been moved to the table? It would help to know UTGs profile other than age and gender.

You're not even past the bubble. ICM considerations are negligible at this point.

Are there antes? If not, your stack is too big to go to war with AQs. Even with antes, you have enough chips to play some pot control IP pre.

The board is not very connected. The only str8 draws are gut shots and you haven't seen any reason to think either villain has a flush draw. (which flop cards are ?). If A is on the board you can discount UTG has a FD.

I agree with flatting pre IP.

As played check back OTF. You keep Villain's bluffs in that way.(By checking back, you under-rep you hand. It looks like QQ-99)

Finally, don't post results. results are irrelevant.
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