Villain here is a decent TAG reg.

I had him running at 18/16 with 7% 3bet over 140 hands. 27% ROI with $45 ABI.

From 18 players down, I had been running something like 30/28 with 18% 3bet, so a pretty active image. A few hands before I got caught triple barrelling 69o on 878KA.

What is best on the turn here? We have roughly 339k behind.

sigh more pre....

If you want him to 4b wider you have to give him worse odds to just flat in position.

c/x flop

i have to agree with gregz that you shouldve 3 bet more. im not sure what c/x means. if it means check/raise i dont think that would be a great idea. if that were me and you were to check this flop, with that sizing, i think it would screaming check/raise and i would be inclined to check behind anything but 2p+.

as played i think i would get weird here and bet/fold like 1/3 of the pot. if he calls turn and river is innocuous id be looking for the check/jam or more likely the check/call of his jam.

What`s his folding to 3bet index? & 4bet?

Probably c/decide otf is really better.
Ak,AA,QQ,JJ,TT all have you beat. Why reducing his range to those hands?

Seems close. I think b/f ott is worst.

3bet is really small, like has been said. Checking flop is probably going to be best.

Or just quote gregz41.

Yeah, on review I agree. 3bet is too small with these stack-sizes. Should have gone at least 2.5x I think.

c/shove

why do you feel b/f turn is bad? i dont know why villain would be turning Qx or AT into a bluff here with heros image. you may be thinking b/f is bad because we still have 20% equity when up against Jx but is villain really calling 3 bet with any J other than JQ, JT, AJ ,or maybe J9? we essentially have 2 outs when behind. i think we could be pretty confident in b/f.

sure you could c/f flop but i think thats pretty weak. i really dont think a competent player would be betting this flop when checked to if he's behind kings, so c/c and c/r are out the question. c/f turn is certainly an option but we're giving so much power to floats. c/c turn is an option but again i dont think villain would be betting any hand that is behind.

villain knows hero is capable of multiple barrels so i could definitely see him calling 2 streets with Qx or AT

however after further thought, i have to retract my recommendation of check/calling the river in favor of jamming. he just saw you 3 barrel so its not unlikely that he looks you up. he should be checking behind any worse hand just for the simple fact that you will be folding when beat.

I don`t how V`s his 3bet calling range looks like atm.

But on that texture there`re much more value combos in his range which have us beat than combos we can get value from. Actually it AQ only, who would float w/ AT there?

I can`t see point in further increasing pot when we`re behind... and then what? shove river??????

You`re just doing V`s job.


Fish_on_tilt -- we have 12 AQ vs f***ing lot of value combos in his range which have us beat.

Yeah I think checking flop is best here, but what are we trying to get value from now? You've 3bet pre, bet flop and now we're betting turn when it pairs the board? KK is the bottom of our range here pretty much. This would be more interesting if we had AK.

Ferny doesn`t want to tell -what was V`s 3b fold & 4bet percentage....
More concerned w/ 3b sizing instead......

think the fold to 3b% isnt as relevant as it would normally be due to the smaller 3b size. villain is probably more likely to call. plus hero is running 18% 3b

so anyway whats your move here in his spot c/f turn?

if you really think villain would be "letting us do the work" and would not be putting it in ott then what do you think about betting turn to block then c/f river?

Missed your earlier post, sorry.

vs 3bets he had:

folded 60%
called 10%
raised 30%

c/f could be viable as well, since hands we beat would often check behind here. dont like b/f, since most of our stack is bygones.

c/c > anything else imo

I also think it`s c/decide.
It`s a fold to a shove I think, do you call 120k?

why to check flop? is villain ever betting anything worse on this board? I do not think so
but he is calling flop with many hands from which we get value - KQ,KTs,KJs,AQ,99,J9s,Axs

on the turn bet small/fold seems ok. we are still ahead of big part of his range and we do not expect him to bluff if we check

I think it`s too wide for 18/16 3bet flatting range.

not really vs min 3bet and having position with bigger stack

C/C turn

and never checking flop

we could b/f 1/3 pot and still have 20bbs. i do agree however that c/f is ok for the reason you asserted.



i think you are giving too much credit to his call 3b range. lets take a look below:


villain has a pfr of 16% with a 60% fold to 3b. this suggests villains range for continuing preflop is 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+. villains 4b% makes up about 67% this. so lets assume hes flatting the bottom 33% of this range. i doubt hes flatting pairs here so we'll take 88+ out. we're left with
ATs,AJs,AQs,AQo,KQs

yet we have to consider villains lp pfr more than his average pfr to get a more precise range. we also have to consider heros 3b sizing and stack sizes- its encouraging a wider calling range, so we may see villain show up with hands like kj, qj etc

^ I don't think we should really read too much into those numbers.

This hand was BTN vs SB facing a small 3bet from the loosest player at the table. I feel like his range is going to be a good margin wider than his average reaction to 3bet stats would suggest.

He's opening wider on the BTN than he is on average. He's calling this specific 3bet more than he does on average (because of the size, because he's in position and because of my image).

Sizing pre too small as stated.
I'd C/C turn and tbh not even think its that close.
C/R what hands would he stack off with that we are ahead?.
C/F? He rarely gets here with 2p or a set without raising OTF
B/F - if he is a somewhat thinking player - he prob knows that you have close to zero J's in your range unless you have excatly JJ which obv seems pretty doubtfull.

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i just wanted to point out to elephant that even when going by the numbers which he asked for villains calling range isnt as good as he assumed

And?