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MTT + GTO.. a good idea everytime? MTT + GTO.. a good idea everytime?

03-14-2018 , 06:22 PM
Hi guys, the question is:
playng MTT with GTO strategy is a good idea in every MTT stage?

Usually MTT game are preflop game..
Many spots needs a good preflop strategy, that is the great difference between CashGame.

It could be a good idea play a strong GTO strategy PREFOL and exploitative poker postflop?

What is the famous ibrid expl/GTO Negreanu strategy?

Thx
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03-14-2018 , 06:51 PM
A GTO Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy is to play 33.33% of each at random. That is an unexploitable strategy where in the long run you can expect to, at the worst, split wins losses and ties. So against an unknown opponent or someone who plays the same GTO strategy then we must play GTO. Now if we face an opponent who plays 100% rock, then it is obviously silly to play a GTO strategy. Obviously, we'd want to play 100% paper to counter his strategy until he decides to adjust. However, that doesn't mean that playing the GTO strategy nets us a negative value against that opponent. It's simply that we win more by exploiting their tendencies.

How does that translate to your question? We'll I think we want to play as close to GTO until someone gives us good reason to deviate. Doesn't matter if it's pre-flop, flop, turn, river, end of tourney, beginning of tourney, etc. However, always playing GTO should theoretically net you 0EV or +EV, and while trying to exploit someone could lead to -EV or higher +EV. So you should want to play exploitatively, especially if they don't adjust, but you need a strong reason to risk deviating IMO.

Sorry if that was ramble-y.
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03-15-2018 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
A GTO Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy is to play 33.33% of each at random. That is an unexploitable strategy where in the long run you can expect to, at the worst, split wins losses and ties. So against an unknown opponent or someone who plays the same GTO strategy then we must play GTO. Now if we face an opponent who plays 100% rock, then it is obviously silly to play a GTO strategy. Obviously, we'd want to play 100% paper to counter his strategy until he decides to adjust. However, that doesn't mean that playing the GTO strategy nets us a negative value against that opponent. It's simply that we win more by exploiting their tendencies.

How does that translate to your question? We'll I think we want to play as close to GTO until someone gives us good reason to deviate. Doesn't matter if it's pre-flop, flop, turn, river, end of tourney, beginning of tourney, etc. However, always playing GTO should theoretically net you 0EV or +EV, and while trying to exploit someone could lead to -EV or higher +EV. So you should want to play exploitatively, especially if they don't adjust, but you need a strong reason to risk deviating IMO.

Sorry if that was ramble-y.
Nice post and agree
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03-16-2018 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
A GTO Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy is to play 33.33% of each at random. That is an unexploitable strategy where in the long run you can expect to, at the worst, split wins losses and ties. So against an unknown opponent or someone who plays the same GTO strategy then we must play GTO. Now if we face an opponent who plays 100% rock, then it is obviously silly to play a GTO strategy. Obviously, we'd want to play 100% paper to counter his strategy until he decides to adjust. However, that doesn't mean that playing the GTO strategy nets us a negative value against that opponent. It's simply that we win more by exploiting their tendencies.

How does that translate to your question? We'll I think we want to play as close to GTO until someone gives us good reason to deviate. Doesn't matter if it's pre-flop, flop, turn, river, end of tourney, beginning of tourney, etc. However, always playing GTO should theoretically net you 0EV or +EV, and while trying to exploit someone could lead to -EV or higher +EV. So you should want to play exploitatively, especially if they don't adjust, but you need a strong reason to risk deviating IMO.

Sorry if that was ramble-y.
that's a great way to explain GTO in poker.

I play mostly against scissors though.
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03-16-2018 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsilver
that's a great way to explain GTO in poker.

I play mostly against scissors though.
Typical RPS bad reg. You're getting tagged.
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03-16-2018 , 04:35 PM
Playing GTO may net you 0EV at rock paper scissors but should do a bit better at poker
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03-16-2018 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Playing GTO may net you 0EV at rock paper scissors but should do a bit better at poker
Both are zero sum games. GTO vs GTO should net you 0 in both in the long run.
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03-16-2018 , 06:31 PM
If you can play close to perfect GTO you'll always profit in the long run. As more people meld their games towards GTO, you'll profit less.

In theory, if enough people meld their games towards GTO, the profits may not be worthwhile someday due to rakes and poker will be officially ruined unless you specifically go out of your way to target soft fields of non-GTO players. I don't think that day will ever come, because there will always be large numbers of rec players that don't study poker theorem and never will, but those players still pick up GTO concepts even if they don't realize it, through experiences at the tables.
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03-17-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Typical RPS bad reg. You're getting tagged.
why? just gave you a huge compliment.
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03-17-2018 , 09:05 AM
your paper game needs work though
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03-17-2018 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Both are zero sum games. GTO vs GTO should net you 0 in both in the long run.
Yes, but GTO vs literally any strategy nets you 0EV in rock/paper/scissors, and in poker it's +EV against any strategy that's not GTO.
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03-17-2018 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Yes, but GTO vs literally any strategy nets you 0EV in rock/paper/scissors, and in poker it's +EV against any strategy that's not GTO.
Good point
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