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02-19-2018 , 08:11 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 50/100 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 12,245 (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 18.39, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 90)
UTG: 20,432 (VPIP: 16.19, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 108)
Hero (UTG+1): 9,840
MP: 9,586 (VPIP: 31.71, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 41)
MP+1: 5,936 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 46)
CO: 9,720 (VPIP: 24.23, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 14.10, Hands: 195)
BTN: 9,280 (VPIP: 23.24, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 242)
SB: 11,170 (VPIP: 16.07, PFR: 12.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.93, Hands: 283)

8 players post ante of 10, SB posts SB 50, BB posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 230) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to 275, fold, fold, CO raises to 800, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 525

Flop: (1,830, 2 players) 7 6 Q
Hero checks, CO bets 700, Hero calls 700

Turn: (3,230, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (3,230, 2 players) K
Hero bets 1,300, CO raises to 8,210 and is all-in, Hero?
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02-20-2018 , 12:12 AM
Villain is representing QQ, or KK with his river jam (unless he is capable of jamming for value with AA here, but I doubt it since you have AQ in your range). That being said, he only has 1 combo of each--and that being said, can you think of any bluffs he has that take this line?

Personally, I think you definitely should've 4bet since you're going to be playing this hand OOP and you're so deep. OTR, you hold a bluff catcher and definitely should've checked. What hands are you expecting him to call with when the K comes? QQ, KK, AA all beat you and you chop vs AK.
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02-21-2018 , 09:01 AM
I dont get your thought process behind your river donk?
It is not accomplishing anything except putting you in a very bad spot.
Since you did not 4bet pre on that stack depth, you should stick to that passive approach and be happy to check call river (depending on the amount you might even fold river what is now a bluff catcher)
As said before, his range consist of KQ, AJ, AQ, AK, 99, 1010, JJ, QQ, KK, AA
If he turned his hand into a bluff, you can still beat 99, 1010, JJ but thats abt it.
Just saw he had 14% 3bet on 200 hands, which is pretty high so his prelfop 3b range could be even wider with QJss and small pairs but still, as played, check call river depending on the bet size
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02-21-2018 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by swissodds
I dont get your thought process behind your river donk?
It is not accomplishing anything except putting you in a very bad spot.
Since you did not 4bet pre on that stack depth, you should stick to that passive approach and be happy to check call river (depending on the amount you might even fold river what is now a bluff catcher)
As said before, his range consist of KQ, AJ, AQ, AK, 99, 1010, JJ, QQ, KK, AA
If he turned his hand into a bluff, you can still beat 99, 1010, JJ but thats abt it.
Just saw he had 14% 3bet on 200 hands, which is pretty high so his prelfop 3b range could be even wider with QJss and small pairs but still, as played, check call river depending on the bet size
we block all of his value hands that beat us (Besides QQ). I’m also not convinced he checks back trips on this board texture so i want to get value from his 88-JJ and occasionally get value owned by AA. Obvi only one combo of KK at this point.
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02-21-2018 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
we block all of his value hands that beat us (Besides QQ). I’m also not convinced he checks back trips on this board texture so i want to get value from his 88-JJ and occasionally get value owned by AA. Obvi only one combo of KK at this point.
Since we block his value hands, isn’t that an argument for inducing a bluff? Would villain really 3bet 8s-10s in an 8max mtt? Further, would villain really flat the river with 8s-Js on this board after we flatted the 3bet OOP?

The more I consider it, the more I’m thinking that making the 1/3 pot river bet turns our hand face up, and villain is likely to have made a pretty sick read/bluff. If we hold AQ or KQs say, do we really bet and bet only 1/3 pot?

Last edited by goldFishshark; 02-21-2018 at 03:01 PM.
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02-26-2018 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by goldFishshark

The more I consider it, the more I’m thinking that making the 1/3 pot river bet turns our hand face up, and villain is likely to have made a pretty sick read/bluff. If we hold AQ or KQs say, do we really bet and bet only 1/3 pot?
Was part of my questionning.
Thought getting that thin value otr would be a disaster when V is smart enough to jam on us.
Thats why, given all the infos, it felt like c/c river was low variance...
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02-26-2018 , 06:09 AM
Not easy to play a 3bet pot oop, with these stacks, against a 14%-3bet-player...

His range is too wide (to be a 3bet), and playing with a position is going to give him a lot of advantage. No doubt I would call more often his 3bet with hands as suited connectors or low and mid pairs, less difficult to play with these stacks when oop than AKo (not because they are better hands precisely, but because AKo has higher reverse implied odds at this kind of spots). I think it's best idea to make 4bet almost always in this spot with AKo.

The only reason I could do just call, would be to get value from his Ax and his Kx by check/calling when A or K comes on the flop. So, consequently with that, when neither A nor K comes, unfortunately I will have to check/fold much more than I would like.

Because, even if it fell ace or king later (as it happened here), I will not be able to get value because of my position, and I will not be able to be conveniently sure to be ahead due to the width of its 3bet range.

As played, obviously check/call river. If you bet, you have to fold to his shove. As we can see, neither of the two options is very good. By check/calling we will be losing value from all his medium hands that will check behind, and by bet/folding we will be very exploitable, and not sure if we'll be folding the best hand.

But, without clear readings, putting 82bb on this river would be almost always overplay, and there would be no reason to play for stacks here instead of preflop, where we have, at least, the clear reading of his 14.1% of 3bet.

(Does not mean that I advocate always playing for stacks preflop in this situation, I only indicate that in my opinion it would be +EV to going all-in preflop than to do it by paying his shove on this river).

Last edited by rsk46; 02-26-2018 at 06:19 AM.
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02-27-2018 , 04:05 PM
4 bet- gii pre. If villain happens to be way tighter than reads suggests, it is still usually slightly +cEV. If villain is really 3 betting close to the amount small sample suggests, 4b-gii will make huge profit. Flatting OOP without big pair will never make big profit.
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02-28-2018 , 02:26 PM
Hmm, 4bet/c 100BB in a 22$ MTT, where prob Hero has a big edge is a mistake imo.
River is interesting, i think we should def have some Qx here, and some FH´s ofc, and will have some missed draws that wanna bluff river, but i think x/c some hands and x/r some looks better or at least choose diff sizing.

Last edited by OutPlayU27; 02-28-2018 at 02:37 PM. Reason: as played easy fold
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