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215$ wcoop straight vs wet board on river 215$ wcoop straight vs wet board on river

09-20-2011 , 06:38 AM
Villain is losing player at ABI 30$ in ~ 500 mtts -30% ROI he doesnt have desastrous ITM stats though.

Hes table stats are 23/3 or something.And he seems like a bit of a station.



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10623072

BTN: 31,581 (126.3 bb)
SB: 7,442 (29.8 bb)
BB: 35,689 (142.8 bb)
UTG+1: 6,122 (24.5 bb)
UTG+2: 9,526 (38.1 bb)
MP1: 30,816 (123.3 bb)
Hero (MP2): 13,413 (53.7 bb)
MP3: 980 (3.9 bb)
CO: 11,136 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6 7
2 folds, MP1 calls 250, Hero raises to 850, MP3 raises to 950 and is all-in, 3 folds, BB calls 700, MP1 calls 700, Hero calls 100

Flop: (4,195) T 4 3 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4,195) 5 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets 2,500, BB folds, MP1 calls 2,500

River: (9,195) T (3 players, 1 is all-in)
MP1 bets 5,500

Hero?
Can he do that line with a AT,KT..T9 ?I think he is capable....is that enough to call the river?

Would you cbet the flop? would you size the turn diffrent?
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09-20-2011 , 06:52 AM
not in love with pre... its not awful but i'm not excited to play this hand either from this pos. obv a std iso or limp behind from CO or later.

would cbet/fold ~55% pot on that texture and shove most turns (A,K,Q,J,9,8,7,6,5) since he often has a hand that calls one and folds on the turn (mid pair,draw)
as played no idea. everything sucks. i dont think he will fold Tx so we should shove to get max value. if you dont think he has Tx alot and more often the flush fold.
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09-20-2011 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by furo
not in love with pre... its not awful but i'm not excited to play this hand either from this pos. obv a std iso or limp behind from CO or later.

would cbet/fold ~55% pot on that texture and shove most turns (A,K,Q,J,9,8,7,6,5) since he often has a hand that calls one and folds on the turn (mid pair,draw)
as played no idea. everything sucks. i dont think he will fold Tx so we should shove to get max value. if you dont think he has Tx alot and more often the flush fold.
I wanted to iso pre but bb ho was a decent player called witch felt pretty strong...i felt cbet was kinda risky on flop as bb and (less likely) Villain could check raise...

I felt he has flush most of the time on the river but spazzed a call as he clearly could play a T in this way....

A bit to creative pre...but i was waiting for an iso on him for a while and decided its a good enough spot.
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09-20-2011 , 08:55 AM
barreling into a dry sidepot here with 7hi is not a very good idea furo.

Same logic appeals for a passive villain who doesnt want to bet into a dry sidepot with a fd or top pair. 23/3 donks just play that way. Now its up to you to decide how many flush combos or Tx combos he could bet for value with (I highly doubt he is ever bluffing here and its even possible he is c/c Tx hands)
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09-20-2011 , 09:01 AM
def fold river and it's not close....fish openlimps and doesn't bet tx on that turn? highly unlikely...seems like a flush every time

don't bet the flop lol
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09-20-2011 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Stro_Sho
barreling into a dry sidepot here with 7hi is not a very good idea furo.

Same logic appeals for a passive villain who doesnt want to bet into a dry sidepot with a fd or top pair. 23/3 donks just play that way. Now its up to you to decide how many flush combos or Tx combos he could bet for value with (I highly doubt he is ever bluffing here and its even possible he is c/c Tx hands)
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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz
don't bet the flop lol

yup you are right, totally ignored/did not see that we have to win the hand on showdown vs the guy who is all-in even if the other guy folds so our winnings without showdown are not very high here with 7 high.
still not in love with pre and as played it sucks bigtime and is prob a fold.
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09-20-2011 , 09:05 AM
ya the more I think about it the more it is a fold.

edit: agree pre is not great but ok if the 22/3 guy is as passive post as he is pre
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09-20-2011 , 09:09 AM
nah the iso vs a passive guy is great IP, i'm more concerned that we have to go 5 more ranges...
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09-20-2011 , 10:07 AM
ye seriously probably the most tilting thing in poker when people cbet empty dry side pots in spots like this.

I'm also in the fold river camp. It's not going to be a bluff with that sizing (and u have blocker to some showdown crap he might turn into a bluff like 66). He can easily have 55/fd and when the FD comes you can't always expect him to value bet all of his Tx holdings. If he bet less kinda of as a blockery/thinnish vbet I'd call but it's relatively large so I'd sigh fold now.
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09-20-2011 , 10:17 AM
why not jam the turn? You could get paid from a flush draw or set or whatever... You would be in great shape. with only one card to come Also, if others fold, you'd increase your stack significantly. Whatever you do on the river, fold or call, will be disappointing. If not jamming then atleast bet more on the turn since there are two flush draws on the table.
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09-20-2011 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Finnera
why not jam the turn? You could get paid from a flush draw or set or whatever... You would be in great shape. with only one card to come Also, if others fold, you'd increase your stack significantly. Whatever you do on the river, fold or call, will be disappointing. If not jamming then atleast bet more on the turn since there are two flush draws on the table.
We want to get value from hands like middle pairs and Tx and of course draws. Even most calling stations will fold that to a 3xPot in this spot. Why would we want him to fold? I agree though with the sizing - would go for 3000.
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09-20-2011 , 12:16 PM
wont play the hand with that stack, but if am lucky to see the turn, bet significant given the board texture.. But if villian is in a chase and win mode, its one of those tailor made hands designed to suck you out..
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