i know pre is meh but i'm trying some new things ... villain is 12/10 over about 300 hands from previous tournaments. i am new at table but if he has a hud on me from previously he probably sees me as a bit on the tight side.

thoughts on each street please.


Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 9 players
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MP1: t5579 M = 2.98
MP2: t11286 M = 6.02
CO: t41032 M = 21.88
BTN: t27215 M = 14.51
SB: t7562 M = 4.03
Hero (BB): t49379 M = 26.34
UTG: t25719 M = 13.72
UTG+1: t38662 M = 20.62
UTG+2: t17046 M = 9.09

Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is BB with 4 3
6 folds, BTN raises to t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t800

Flop: (t4275) T 9 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (t4275) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t1495, Hero raises to t5600, BTN calls t4105

River: (t15475) K (2 players)
Hero bets t6666, BTN raises to t19940 all in, Hero calls t13274

bet the turn given he has a decent amount of qs in his range

as played river is a fold

is anyone check calling this river?

pre fine
I lead flop almost always

if he has a queen isn't he guaranteed to bet it though? i thought we'd get more value because he won't fold a queen to a c/r and he may also try repping a queen when we check.

+1 for leading flop

check calling river seems bad because the majority of the time he has a queen and will check it back almost always.

i thought this immediately after i posted, however he has other stuff in his range like 2 pear etc which wont bet if you check but will often call 2 small bets ott and otr so i think i like betting b/c of that reason aswell

I think pre is ok, but i´ll lead flop for value/protection, as played the turn c/r is fine, think river is the closest decision, think Im I prefer c/c rather than b/c, but we might loose some value so I dunno.

looks fine to me

in game i'd probably check the flop out of habit but i think donking would work better. its a board where he's going to give up with his air a lot and check back a lot of midpairs and sometimes Kx

i like the turn c/r to get max value from Qx and give him a chance to delay cbet his air. river sizing looks good but i really think you have to bet/fold, especially vs a 12/10. i just don't see how he could be bluffing or value raising worse

I like everything except river, think it's a fold when he shoves. Pretty sick if he shoves a Q or something there as a bluff.

EDIT: In game I probably convince myself to call and then feel dumb.

please lead the flop or turn

unsure about river as played. your line seems superstrong so i'm in the b/f camp (if there is one)

My biggest concern with bet-folding the river is that your bet looks really weak. It's possible that Villain shoves like a bare As to get you off of a Q or something. I'd rather just bet big on the river. If he calls with K's and Q's, he's probably going to do it no matter what your sizing is. I'm actually not worried about him having a full house, since he would have had to have checked two pair/set on the flop or bet it on the turn, neither of which seem real likely to me.

What's Villain's attempt to steal? Just because he's 12/10 doesn't mean he can't steal from the button. I think going for a check-raise is a lot better because if we lead, all of the best hands we're looking to get value from are going to flat, and I'd rather see two bets go in on the flop than one. It sucks if he checks back and the turn is a spade, but then again it sucks if you bet and the turn is a spade, too.

Edit: Oh yeah lead the turn big, only Q's and bluffs are betting, and most bluffs probably bet the flop.

In after a foucault post in MTT strat....that is all.

thanks for the feedback.

i was looking at this hand again today and i think river should be a bet/fold, but probably a bigger bet so we don't have this decision to make. it turns out that i won the hand (villain had 22), but it's pretty optimistic to think he's going to take this line as an elaborate bluff, and how else does he get to the river and then shove with anything we beat? i think he could definitely take this line with the nut flush as well as hands like JJ and possibly KJ.

very good post.

Isn't 3betting better than calling pre? We have 4 high