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00 live mtt tough spot with TT 00 live mtt tough spot with TT

09-12-2019 , 07:28 AM
100BB deep. early in the mtt.

mp limps. co limps. I have TT on button and open to 3x BB. SB call. BB folds.
mp folds. co calls.

pot = 12BB

flop is 4d Jd 4h.

sb checks. Co bets 6BB. Hero?
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09-12-2019 , 08:39 AM
your suits are gonna be EXTREMELY relevant this hand. Did you have Td OR Th in your combo?
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09-12-2019 , 12:09 PM
calls . . . . . . .
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09-12-2019 , 01:30 PM
Most likely lead is flush draw. I flat and see the turn. However, part of this play is that I need to be able to pull the trigger against non nut jacks later in the hand.
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09-12-2019 , 05:13 PM
Don’t play 2ks if you can’t even properly size your bets. Should be going much bigger pre. 4bb at a min. Prolly 4-6bbs iso here. 3 is just lolbad.
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09-12-2019 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
your suits are gonna be EXTREMELY relevant this hand. Did you have Td OR Th in your combo?
Explain? Looks like a pure call regardless to me
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09-12-2019 , 05:33 PM
flop is easiest flat in the world, was anticipating OP posting more board cards and whether we block Td or not is gonna make a big difference when facing barrels.
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09-13-2019 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Don’t play 2ks if you can’t even properly size your bets. Should be going much bigger pre. 4bb at a min. Prolly 4-6bbs iso here. 3 is just lolbad.
Yeh, I am willing to accept almost anything in preflop be sizing, but this is just horrible. 3 x BB at 2 limpers early???
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09-14-2019 , 12:36 AM
I see nothing wrong with the preflop sizing.

Our hand rates high better than our opponents.

Certainly, given flop texture, the preflop sizing was weak and as I played, I might find a fold.

However, inflating the pot, while on the button, gives us best chance at homerun ball.

And, you know, the early limpers could three bet, but betting smaller gives us chance to set mine against a three bet.

Think the criticism of the preflop bet, doesn't give original poster enough credit on how he plays after the flop if he hits a homerun.

As played, rethinking, just dump and move on.

His preflop was designed to hit a homerun. We hit a single and they threw a ball at our head. No worries. Duck and fold.

Why do we need to outplay them every time? Why risk our future tournament equity?

We swung, we missed.

Preflop was fine sizing. They made a bet with a Jack, a 4, or flush draw. Maybe an underpair. Fold and see the next one.

Flatting is silly. It's a marathon, not a race.

Every hand doesn't need to be a race. We need to look at long term tournament equity.
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09-14-2019 , 12:40 AM
Reviewing this hand, anything other than clear muck, this early in a tournament is a total spewtard call.

If you want to win tournaments and not pots, easy fold.

If you want to win pots, flat and get stacked 15%-30% of the time.

Sorry, not going to be nice anymore. Calling is absurd early in the tournament.

your preflop sizing was fine.
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09-14-2019 , 12:45 AM
FYI, asked my brother about this.

Said should have opened bigger.

But, at this stage in tournament, as played, call is total spewtard awful decision. Just muck and move on. Folding 10's to an over card with flush draw out there, how bad could a fold be?

If he continued, he is never calling. Would pop it.
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09-14-2019 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
I see nothing wrong with the preflop sizing.

Our hand rates high better than our opponents.

Certainly, given flop texture, the preflop sizing was weak and as I played, I might find a fold.

However, inflating the pot, while on the button, gives us best chance at homerun ball.

And, you know, the early limpers could three bet, but betting smaller gives us chance to set mine against a three bet.

Think the criticism of the preflop bet, doesn't give original poster enough credit on how he plays after the flop if he hits a homerun.

As played, rethinking, just dump and move on.

His preflop was designed to hit a homerun. We hit a single and they threw a ball at our head. No worries. Duck and fold.

Why do we need to outplay them every time? Why risk our future tournament equity?

We swung, we missed.

Preflop was fine sizing. They made a bet with a Jack, a 4, or flush draw. Maybe an underpair. Fold and see the next one.

Flatting is silly. It's a marathon, not a race.

Every hand doesn't need to be a race. We need to look at long term tournament equity.
Villians should call with any two cards based on this sizing. We are way ahead of a limp, and limp behind range. Why would we not want to bloat a pot pre and not give players an insanely great price to call and see a flop against us multi-way?

Even with a hand such as AK, why would we not want to bloat a pot pre if players are going to call too light out of position? I’m a bigger fan of going too big with such a marginal holding such as 10-10 that easily can be outflopped by 2 over cards. Even a hand such as a suited connector, do we really wanna give players the ability to play postflop multi-way with such a speculative hand that wants to play multiway? Anyways, postflop is much simpler against 1 Villian when compared to 2-4 Villians.
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09-14-2019 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Reviewing this hand, anything other than clear muck, this early in a tournament is a total spewtard call.

If you want to win tournaments and not pots, easy fold.

If you want to win pots, flat and get stacked 15%-30% of the time.

Sorry, not going to be nice anymore. Calling is absurd early in the tournament.

your preflop sizing was fine.
Can you stop with your ridiculous posts please
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09-15-2019 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
FYI, asked my brother about this.

Said should have opened bigger.

But, at this stage in tournament, as played, call is total spewtard awful decision. Just muck and move on. Folding 10's to an over card with flush draw out there, how bad could a fold be?

If he continued, he is never calling. Would pop it.
What did your sister think?
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09-15-2019 , 03:51 PM
Preflop I make it 5.5x OTB with 2 limpers.

As played, this deep, I'm calling especially in a 2000k buy in. Unclear why CO would donk when you are almost certainly going to cbet vs 2 players.

I take it you have no reads but if CO has donked before in a raised pot I would consider raising. It could be a smaller PP, it could be air trying to steal, it could be a flush draw, and it could be a weak J looking for info. You might even get SB to fold a J.
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