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10-07-2020 , 08:16 PM
Hello

So this was on Pokerbros so no HUD or Hand History

$1k Buy in

1st $57k
2nd $35k
......
9th 5.2k
10th 4k

10 players left, I am sitting 3rd and finding it very easy to accumulate chips.
Would say I have a pretty active image, opening and taking down a decent amount of pots pre and on the flop. Villain has been pretty quiet considering we has been chip leader at the table for awhile.

Blinds 40/80k

We are 5 handed

Hero on the Button with 1.8m in chips

Villain In the BB with 2.5m in chips

Hero opens Button to 160k w Ah10d
Villain in BB calls

Flop 10c 5s 9s w 410k in the pot

Villian checks

Hero bets 160k

Villain raises to 480k

Hero calls and has 1.02m behind..... thoughts? should I get it in at this point or call and evaluate rivers? What about a check back on the flop for lower variance?

Turn 2d w 1.37m in the pot on a 10c 5s 9s 2d board

Villian shoves 2m All in

Hero calls and is All in

River Kc

This flop smashed his range but I'm also sitting pretty good considering my aggressive image at the table .
I was prepared to fold to a scare card on the turn if he shoved but the 2c is such a black I feel I have to go with it.

Unfortunately Villain shows up with 10s2s so had top pair and a flush draw on the flop and binked two pair on the turn.

Is this simply a cooler? How would you guys have played it, any feedback good or bad would be much appriciated.

Thanks team
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10-07-2020 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HidekiMatsuyama
Hello

So this was on Pokerbros so no HUD or Hand History

$1k Buy in

1st $57k
2nd $35k
......
9th 5.2k
10th 4k

10 players left, I am sitting 3rd and finding it very easy to accumulate chips.
Would say I have a pretty active image, opening and taking down a decent amount of pots pre and on the flop. Villain has been pretty quiet considering we has been chip leader at the table for awhile.

Blinds 40/80k

We are 5 handed

Hero on the Button with 1.8m in chips

Villain In the BB with 2.5m in chips

Hero opens Button to 160k w Ah10d
Villain in BB calls

Flop 10c 5s 9s w 410k in the pot

Villian checks

Hero bets 160k

Villain raises to 480k

Hero calls and has 1.02m behind..... thoughts? should I get it in at this point or call and evaluate rivers? What about a check back on the flop for lower variance?

Turn 2d w 1.37m in the pot on a 10c 5s 9s 2d board

Villian shoves 2m All in

Hero calls and is All in

River Kc

This flop smashed his range but I'm also sitting pretty good considering my aggressive image at the table .
I was prepared to fold to a scare card on the turn if he shoved but the 2c is such a black I feel I have to go with it.

Unfortunately Villain shows up with 10s2s so had top pair and a flush draw on the flop and binked two pair on the turn.

Is this simply a cooler? How would you guys have played it, any feedback good or bad would be much appriciated.

Thanks team
I like a check back otf. You're 3rd in chips, and like you said, you've been able to chip up fairly easily.

Let's say it was 8,000 ante. So otf, there's 400,000 in the pot, and you have 1,632,000 behind. This flop is gross, even though you have top top. What are you going to do if you bet and turn is a spade, 6, 7, 8, J, Q, or K. What is that, 27 cards? You could get bluffed off best hand, you could be drawing dead, etc.

Let's say you check behind, the 2 hits, and he bets 300,000. You call. Pot is now 1,000,000 and you have 1,320,000 behind. River is the king. You can fold and still have like 16.5 bbs left.

I think you need to pot control here and don't want to play a big pot vs chip leader w a one pair hand. Even if he bluffed you off best hand (say he had Js8s), you'll be able to find better spots later on and chip up in the meantime.
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10-07-2020 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by msw1984
I like a check back otf. You're 3rd in chips, and like you said, you've been able to chip up fairly easily.

Let's say it was 8,000 ante. So otf, there's 400,000 in the pot, and you have 1,632,000 behind. This flop is gross, even though you have top top. What are you going to do if you bet and turn is a spade, 6, 7, 8, J, Q, or K. What is that, 27 cards? You could get bluffed off best hand, you could be drawing dead, etc.

Let's say you check behind, the 2 hits, and he bets 300,000. You call. Pot is now 1,000,000 and you have 1,320,000 behind. River is the king. You can fold and still have like 16.5 bbs left.

I think you need to pot control here and don't want to play a big pot vs chip leader w a one pair hand. Even if he bluffed you off best hand (say he had Js8s), you'll be able to find better spots later on and chip up in the meantime.
Thanks for the reply and I absolutely agree with a check back on the flop in hindsight.

There are so many bad turn cards that its going to be very hard to play the turn even when Villain just calls. Where as checking back allows me to control the pot and get away with limited damage if need be.

My thinking at the time was that I should try for value because of my aggro cbetting image, which again in hindsight with ICM was a decent mistake. Villain has a lot of bluffs in that spot but also has a decent amount of 2 pair, but getting all in with another big stack in that situation was the last thing you need.
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10-08-2020 , 12:12 AM
Shove after the raise otf. Look at all the draws that we completely unblock and we block the only overpair that he might be trapping. Considering you're probably doing this (betting 1/3 pot) close to 100% in game (my assumption) then V can go a little wider with his bluffs, ie any draw Inc pair/gutshot with a backdoor. I wonder if sets actually do a good amount of calling otf despite the draw heavy board? We're ahead so damn often otf that we just have to shove
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10-08-2020 , 12:31 AM
You said he has a decent amount of 2pair - no os combos barring T9o of which we block several combos. Preferring the check otf rather than denying equity/getting value is being results oriented
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10-08-2020 , 02:16 AM
Wp IMO. Would not check flop. Could 3-bet rip the flop sometimes. Same result either way.
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10-08-2020 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Wp IMO. Would not check flop. Could 3-bet rip the flop sometimes. Same result either way.
Oh is that how we do analysis? Deffo fold pre, better result.
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10-08-2020 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wynner88888
Shove after the raise otf. Look at all the draws that we completely unblock and we block the only overpair that he might be trapping. Considering you're probably doing this (betting 1/3 pot) close to 100% in game (my assumption) then V can go a little wider with his bluffs, ie any draw Inc pair/gutshot with a backdoor. I wonder if sets actually do a good amount of calling otf despite the draw heavy board? We're ahead so damn often otf that we just have to shove
Yeah I do agree with all the above... You almost never see players trapping with AA KK this deep in a tournament on the apps, Id also expect a raise from a set this late on like you say a very draw heavy board.

Your correct In saying we are ahead so often on the flop and maybe I'm being results orientated. If my hand holds I'm a very good chance to go on and win the tournament but In such soft fields It hurts to get in a big stack v big stack pot (even though it was like 24bb eff).



Thanks for the input mate
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10-11-2020 , 08:32 PM
Hi mate, welcome to the forum

Curious to know from the PIOGTO crew whether a 2.5bb open is more profitable than 2bb at this icm stage/depth.

As played I’m bet/ripping flop all day long, simply to avoid getting icm-@€#%d by chip leader on any spade J Q K 8 turn regardless of his holding.
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