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162 morning acr x/r and barrel off 162 morning acr x/r and barrel off

08-22-2019 , 12:59 AM
Rate my spew -Lost the hh and haven’t been using a hud so excuse the format

Anyway
Btn who I doubled up last orbit- (he limps qto - I 3x jj flop comes qt4) I Cbet 1/3 he x/r and shove turn off 12-15bb or something I call down)
He opens min @ 25k at 2/400
I defend 10d 8s
Flop j76
He Cbet 1/3 - I think the j76 hits me pretty good here and he could be betting too much here- so I c/r to 3x he calls
Turn 5 with bd clubs showing up think this is one of most hi ev turns so I bet 1/3 again
River comes ad
I jam 11k put villain all in
Wug
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08-22-2019 , 07:12 AM
nh
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08-22-2019 , 03:07 PM
is there any merit for using a smaller turn size to set up larger river jam? 1/3 is already pretty good but i think we have an opportunity to play a lot of our range as a 1/4 or 1/5 bet to keep V (loose passive?) range wide

a lot of your value range will want to get calls from weak pairs, high card draws, etc. if you get raised off a small size OTT you can just fold
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08-25-2019 , 03:57 AM
What’s the SPR on turn? I want to jam here
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08-25-2019 , 01:30 PM
Looks fine.

Especially when you consider his flop sizing is pretty small for such a high freq x spot (V has too much marginal SDV to barrel 100% and your range is close to uncapped), in fact if you were to compare the EVs of his chosen sizing with where he should be (honestly a very attractive flop to overbet) I think you'll find that he's most likely to be suboptimally biased towards 7x, 6x, A-high so attacking him with x/r seems really good.

Sizings maybe can be a bit bigger but doubt there's much if any EV difference. We can split our range pretty liberally given how wide our starting range is.

In theory, doubt we need to pure bluff this combo (at least not for this sizings) since it's not too attractive blocking 88 and TT, I think in theory a hand like 85 is technically the nut best bluffing combo for jam sizing for you since it still blocks straights and unblocks TT, 99 but at the end of the day, if we already think he's exploitably weak OTF then this is close to a nut low runout for IP player I think so yeah I guess in practice always pulling the trigger here.

But do realize in theory we do need to have give ups especially when we deploy our jamming range because given the small sizings, the SPR is still fairly large on the river (it's close to 1.5 right?), meaning you can't throw too many bluffs in there before becoming unbalanced, and if you really, really think about your range, you actually don't have that many Ax combos, I think Ax combos in particular play best as pure flop x/c, so your range OTR is mostly Jx, sets, straights, 2pr sure but also lots of air (like T8o) so there are some real range construction pitfalls in this spot--Jx does not maximize its EV via a river jam, in fact only a somewhat slim subrange of yours is actually truly happy jamming for value meaning it does not take long before you run out of space to balance things out with you bluffs. I'd be willing to bet you're overbarreling and overbluffing compared to equilibrium.

But again, who cares about theory? He never calls w/ less than a jack so **** him, shove seems fine even if it is technically exploitative.
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08-25-2019 , 01:32 PM
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08-25-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Looks fine.

Especially when you consider his flop sizing is pretty small for such a high freq x spot (V has too much marginal SDV to barrel 100% and your range is close to uncapped), in fact if you were to compare the EVs of his chosen sizing with where he should be (honestly a very attractive flop to overbet) I think you'll find that he's most likely to be suboptimally biased towards 7x, 6x, A-high so attacking him with x/r seems really good.

Sizings maybe can be a bit bigger but doubt there's much if any EV difference. We can split our range pretty liberally given how wide our starting range is.

In theory, doubt we need to pure bluff this combo (at least not for this sizings) since it's not too attractive blocking 88 and TT, I think in theory a hand like 85 is technically the nut best bluffing combo for jam sizing for you since it still blocks straights and unblocks TT, 99 but at the end of the day, if we already think he's exploitably weak OTF then this is close to a nut low runout for IP player I think so yeah I guess in practice always pulling the trigger here.

But do realize in theory we do need to have give ups especially when we deploy our jamming range because given the small sizings, the SPR is still fairly large on the river (it's close to 1.5 right?), meaning you can't throw too many bluffs in there before becoming unbalanced, and if you really, really think about your range, you actually don't have that many Ax combos, I think Ax combos in particular play best as pure flop x/c, so your range OTR is mostly Jx, sets, straights, 2pr sure but also lots of air (like T8o) so there are some real range construction pitfalls in this spot--Jx does not maximize its EV via a river jam, in fact only a somewhat slim subrange of yours is actually truly happy jamming for value meaning it does not take long before you run out of space to balance things out with you bluffs. I'd be willing to bet you're overbarreling and overbluffing compared to equilibrium.

But again, who cares about theory? He never calls w/ less than a jack so **** him, shove seems fine even if it is technically exploitative.
Yeah agree with 85 being a bit better in game I looked at it and figured I’d jam this combo and give up the t8 combos that have a club in them to let me unblock all his turned bd fds that he’ll show up otr w
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08-25-2019 , 05:10 PM
He tanked and Called w k6cc
Was very tilted at seeing him look me up with this hand villain is a reg with way better results with me. So tilting want to stab him
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08-26-2019 , 12:03 AM
Definitely highly exploitative but not out of the question for V to have seen his opponents overbluffing these spots such that V is more inclined to snap super light.

If everyone is thinking like you and me (that he never or just very rarely calls 6x) then I guess it's a ballsy but possibly lucrative spot to actually take a stand. It's somewhat convoluted (think about how deep of an understanding of the equilibrium he'd need to know that its kinda easy for you to be overbluffing here) and when this exploit (if he's even thinking along these lines) doesn't work it arguably stings V worse than it helps him the times he is right, but I guess as a next level exploit calling some 6x at least is OK.

But in theory a pretty bad call.
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