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11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? 11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call?

09-18-2011 , 07:45 PM
so hadn't been at the table very long, i make this bet sometimes on the flop with overpairs strong hands and weak hands aswell, when i hit my gin card on the turn and get raised and overcalled do i make a reraise here or just call, 56 possibly beating me but unlikely i feel but with my pre sizing and flop sizing i suppose it cant be discounted , well the 4 combos of 56 suited that is . is my flop sizing ok and should i be raising the BB alot more of the turn considering his real small sizing which either indicates a weak holding or strong hand, when co raises me do i just shove it in here or is calling the best play?





[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10606992

MP1: 13,420 (16.8 bb)
Hero (MP2): 58,908 (73.6 bb)
MP3: 24,622 (30.8 bb)
CO: 77,470 (96.8 bb)
BTN: 11,926 (14.9 bb)
SB: 31,882 (39.9 bb)
BB: 59,426 (74.3 bb)
UTG+1: 34,073 (42.6 bb)
UTG+2: 50,733 (63.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5 A
3 folds, Hero raises to 1,699, MP3 folds, CO calls 1,699, 2 folds, BB calls 899

Flop: (6,622) 3 T 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 2,400, CO calls 2,400, BB calls 2,400

Turn: (13,822) 2 (3 players)
BB bets 800, Hero raises to 4,800, CO raises to 8,800, BB calls 8,000, Hero????

i feel making a large reraise here could turn my hand face up but both are showing lots of strength, what would u do here ?
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-18-2011 , 09:46 PM
wager all my chips, your hand is very disguised, if either player has 56 good for them.

Our hand could v easy look like A10 or JJ+
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-18-2011 , 10:05 PM
all looks fine, wp

now 21,200/call

Last edited by blindhippo; 09-18-2011 at 10:06 PM. Reason: shoves cool too
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09-18-2011 , 11:59 PM
On a dry flop like this one it’s highly possible that the CO is flatting with a set, an over pair, A10, or even 56 unfortunately.

The CO’s range is approximately JJ-TT,44-33,KTs,QTs,JTs,T7s+,75s,65s,53s,ATo,65o. There are a lot of pair and flush draw combos on the turn as well so it’s possible that he called with backdoor draws. Your hand vs. his possible range, you are approximately at 72.57% equity:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,552 games 0.005 secs 510,400 games/sec

Board: 3s Tc 4h 2h
Dead:

Equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.571% 70.89% 01.68% 1809 43.00 {Ah5s}
Hand 1: 27.429% 25.74% 01.68% 657 43.00 {JJ-TT, 44-33, KTs, QTs, JTs, T7s+, 75s, 65s, 53s, ATo, 65o}

You both are fairly deep but I still think its ok to 4-bet this flop considering all the possible combo draws he may have. Assuming he flats the 4-bet I prefer a bet on the river of about 30-35% of the pot making it look like you have room to fold to a shove. If he isn’t holding 56 it will give him a chance to bluff off his chips if he is on any of the combo draws. However, if a third heart comes on the river i think c/calling is your best option.
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-19-2011 , 12:20 AM
i would call and hope to get a cheap showdown, his line really looks nutted
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-19-2011 , 02:47 AM
slightly more on flop, def more on turn, shove
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-19-2011 , 06:08 AM
If I'm flatting, it's not for pot-control that's for sure. I'd rather just raise/get it in.
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote
09-19-2011 , 01:06 PM
I'm folding pre (cue old nit comments)
either bet more or just check flop
just shoving turn now and I doubt that turns our hand face up and I am not sure it matters
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09-19-2011 , 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedveron
i would call and hope to get a cheap showdown, his line really looks nutted
agree. wanted to say shove here but its tough to even imagine that CO would min 3b a set or something worse here.
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09-20-2011 , 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedveron
i would call and hope to get a cheap showdown, his line really looks nutted
there are still nutted hands that we beat, and also a lot of cards that kill our action on the river 3 ways no?
11r turn spot pretty deep three way, shovel or call? Quote

      
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