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07-19-2021 , 08:58 AM
This is an $1100 live event. About 130 entries, 12 or 13 left (this is a spot someone else was in).

Blinds are 5k / 10K + 10k BB ante

ATo in SB. (Hero has about 450k)

MP, “semi active Asian player” (650k) opens to 25k
Button calls. (They’re both playing reasonably, not crazy loose or gambly or anything).

Hero 3bet 80k… Do we 3bet this hand? Do we like the sizing? What kind of ranges do you think you’re 3betting here.

Both end up calling.

Flop is 889hh. Do you cbet here?
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07-19-2021 , 09:49 AM
Forgot to mention 40k starting stack… I think average was about 400k at this point. Also, hero does not have any hearts on 889hh flop.

Last edited by pocketzeroes; 07-19-2021 at 09:59 AM.
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07-19-2021 , 09:56 AM
Meh, squeeze is probably fine with this hand very occasionally. Sizing is not good. Gotta be at least 100k. Range probably TT+, AQs+, AK for value. Throw some KQo AQo AJo A5s A4s hands in the bluffing part of the range (not 100% freq). Could also have JTs or T9s in there for more board coverage. Maybe take out the KQo.

This seems like a much better board for the flatters IMO, so I would not be c-betting. HU I might be more inclined to bet small (Especially if we have Ah).
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07-19-2021 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Meh, squeeze is probably fine with this hand very occasionally. Sizing is not good. Gotta be at least 100k. Range probably TT+, AQs+, AK for value. Throw some KQo AQo AJo A5s A4s hands in the bluffing part of the range (not 100% freq). Could also have JTs or T9s in there for more board coverage. Maybe take out the KQo.

This seems like a much better board for the flatters IMO, so I would not be c-betting. HU I might be more inclined to bet small (Especially if we have Ah).
I don't think this is a good board for flatters - what could they really have that connects here outside of JTs/99? There's a million combos of broadway hands that miss on this board. Anyways I would c-bet this without any specific table dynamics.
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07-20-2021 , 09:40 AM
Your table image is going to be an important dynamic here. Also, what's the buttons stack size?

Without any other information, I think the squeeze is fine and the specific hand is at the bottom of that range with your stack.

If the button's stack size is similar to the opener or yours, I like a c-bet 110k.
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07-20-2021 , 03:21 PM
I think I’m fine pitching here as you have terrible
Position in pots where called. If you are going to 3 bet here.... please go bigger with your sizing. I feel 4x is better here than 85k. Maybe I’m off here but just like going 4x with your whole range (AA or 3bet folds) to really get max value when you have AA KK. I just check fold when called in 2 spots here. I think folding is a little better pre here. I would have to think original villain is opening super wide and not defending enough to make this a solid 3bet fold spot. The button flat makes the play very enticing however we are oop with a hand that does really
Poorly against flatting ranges.
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07-20-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1
I don't think this is a good board for flatters - what could they really have that connects here outside of JTs/99? There's a million combos of broadway hands that miss on this board. Anyways I would c-bet this without any specific table dynamics.
I agree with this. I think the chances of you picking up this pot with a Cbet are too great not to bet. You don't want to c/c here.

If people are going to be putting in 20% of their stack preflop with small suited connectors, then you need to be Cbetting this flop. This flop should be bad for their ranges.
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07-21-2021 , 07:45 AM
In theory, in a chip EV situation, the SB non - all-in squeezing range here should be a mix of premiums, offsuit broadways including ATo and some suited 9x combos.
We shold have a few jams in our range as well in theory like AKo/TT/KJs.

However this is with 12 or 13 left, so icm is actually a thing here and I have no clue how drastically our squeezing range changes, but I assume with some reasonable assumptions and reads on the players involved we can make a case for being tighter or even wider with our sqeezing range here.

Of course if deciding to 3b squeeze here, a sizing around 4x is in order being OOP.

As played - let's assume we misclicked to 85k instead and we get to the 988hh flop 3way and a SPR of 1.5 - I doubt we can cbet profitably vs two ranges that consist of a bunch of suited hands and pairs - depending on the player on the BTN we could see even more middle-ing suited stuff so I check-fold here all day.

I do not have a sub for simple 3way atm, so I can't back up what I think by running a sim there, but I would bet that we just cannot cbet ATo here and show a profit - having or not having the ace or ten of hearts here would not change a whole lot either imo.
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08-05-2021 , 03:25 AM
I’d much rather 3! AJo and AQo (along with 99+, AK,etc.) than A10o which I think plays better as a call. As everyone else said if you are going to squeeze you have to go 100k at a minimum. I’d rather go 110k tbh. Given that, and stack sizes, I would’ve just called.

You mentioned it’s A10o, but we don’t know what suits. That’s definitely relevant on this flop and would help me decide whether or not to cbet. But, again, I’d rather just call here. I think folding is too weak.
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08-13-2021 , 12:02 PM
The one thing I disagree with a larger 3 bet sizing, is what do you do if you get shoved on. If you 3 bet to 110 or 100. Say 110 for example, and the active player (V1 shoves), you are now have to put in 340K to win a pot of ~945K. It puts you in spot that is pretty close. Closer to a fold, but you are almost getting the odds to call and if you give the villain a wider range, shoving KQs/99, then we are getting the right price. With a smaller 3 bet, you can decide if you get shoved on.
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08-13-2021 , 04:18 PM
Typically yes this is a 3bet and I’d size up to probably 110 or 125k. Definitely a lot of ICM stuff going on here though and it’s going to be awkward post flop. You can almost flat but it’s probably a losing play. Folding isn’t bad given you have 40bb and still time to ladder up and find better spots because this is one of your worst 3bets here. If it’s ATs I might flat or else I 3bet. You can cbet here around 75k
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08-15-2021 , 05:04 AM
Must cbet, also barrelling all str draws on turn. Prob checking to trap if A turn.
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