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11-30-2011 , 07:06 PM

jjyykk

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all i know about villain is he's like 33/30 over 15 hands. He hasn't 3b yet and I've been very active. We are about 4 spots off the money in a small field tournament.

ATo/a9s are snaps for me but what about a8o? should I have purchased bubble protection?

Ongame Network $2,000 NL Holdem SH Deepstack No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t40 - 5 players -
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Hero (BTN): t8805 M = 11.01
SB: t7200 M = 9
BB: t8068 M = 10.09
UTG: t14565 M = 18.21
CO: t22054 M = 27.57

Pre Flop: (t800) Hero is BTN with 8

2 folds, Hero raises to t815, 1 fold, BB raises to t8028 all in, Hero?

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11-30-2011 , 07:11 PM

fivetypes

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Id much prefer to jam this close to the bubble. Seems like a sigh-variance call now.

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11-30-2011 , 09:11 PM

pkratitsbest

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calling is probably +cEV (thin). i would give up thin edges like this close to the bubble.

+1 on open shove

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11-30-2011 , 09:17 PM

jjyykk

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this isn't actually really the bubble. there's only 3 tables left and 4 players have to go so it will take a very long time.

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11-30-2011 , 09:48 PM

Keeper1125

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shoving 8k to pick up 800 is pretty meh. as played it's probably slightly +cEV. i'd fold personally.

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11-30-2011 , 10:04 PM

Pghfan987

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Originally Posted by Keeper1125

shoving 8k to pick up 800 is pretty meh. as played it's probably slightly +cEV. i'd fold personally.

I'd jam pre because I'm sure it's +ev. You should be exploiting almost all "meh i guess it's +ev" spots. There are some spots where you should avoid them, like deep stacked at an absurdly soft table, or at a final table where ICM comes into play ... but 4 away from the money in some random $100 tourney is not the spot to pass up marginally +ev spots. If you exploit every single slightly +ev spot in your poker career, that will add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in your lifetime.

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11-30-2011 , 10:17 PM

Keeper1125

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sounds a lot like SNGspeak. I think on average my stack will go in with greater chip equity when I pass on this spot; depends on what you think your edge is, too.

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11-30-2011 , 10:30 PM

GeneralVit

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r/c this in small field MTT on bubble is burning money imo.
r/f or shove pre, possible just fold if u dont think r/f shows profit. Not to sure that shoving > open folding here if we cant r/f.

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12-01-2011 , 02:55 AM

CaliStyle

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Shove pre without nits in the blinds. If you have nits in the blinds r/f

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12-01-2011 , 08:54 AM

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Pardyallthetime

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r/f is fine. r/c 20bbs with a8o is rather horrendous. What exactly do you think he's showing up with here? Sure his stats are donkish but this seems like a pretty standard raise fold to me.

Even if it's the bubble, open folding I don't like whatsoever.

Open shoving? Please tell me that's a gd level.

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12-01-2011 , 10:02 AM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by Pardyallthetime

open shoving is far from a level and probably the best lowest variance play.

as to the first part in this spot my reshoving range vs a lot of players would be superwide and A 8 would probably be a fine raise call...

all in all very player dependent but I probably lean toward open shoving...there is a chance of both getting called by worse and folding out better

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12-01-2011 , 11:11 AM

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furo

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r/c AT+

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12-01-2011 , 04:02 PM

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unrealzeal

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with your image r/f would be stupid

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12-01-2011 , 05:36 PM

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C Lovett

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Originally Posted by Pghfan987

I'd jam pre because I'm sure it's +ev. You should be exploiting almost all "meh i guess it's +ev" spots. There are some spots where you should avoid them, like deep stacked at an absurdly soft table, or at a final table where ICM comes into play ... but 4 away from the money in some random $100 tourney is not the spot to pass up marginally +ev spots. If you exploit every single slightly +ev spot in your poker career, that will add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in your lifetime.

Its not like he open folded it...

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12-01-2011 , 07:33 PM

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CBorders

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Originally Posted by Pardyallthetime

buy a calculator.

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12-01-2011 , 08:48 PM

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dubmonkey

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Originally Posted by Pardyallthetime

Sure his stats are donkish but this seems like a pretty standard raise fold to me.

How are stats donkish? Villain has opened 5 times in 15 hands at a 5handed table. If this was 9-handed we can assume he would be playing around 18/16. Clearly signs of a player who can exploit our btn open in this reship-stack territory.

openshove is our (unexploitable) best option, he is clearly not a nit. As played, with info we have and our image, I lean towards calling.

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