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9 PP Sunday Main Event, have 9BB, 6 before money: fold 77 in BB vs SB shove? 9 PP Sunday Main Event, have 9BB, 6 before money: fold 77 in BB vs SB shove?

11-13-2018 , 06:39 PM
I expect it's a fold
mincash is $230 and you prob wont get double that amount until like top 18
9bb > 20bb isnt worth the 40% risk of getting nothing here . There will be other situations , maybe you pick up QQ+ etc or maybe you blind down to 5bb and mincash then you still have the small chance of spinning it up again
6 places away is close enough that you're pretty likely to be able to make the cash . That's a pretty good result when you have <10bb in a tourney
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11-13-2018 , 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogman3
I expect it's a fold
mincash is $230 and you prob wont get double that amount until like top 18
9bb > 20bb isnt worth the 40% risk of getting nothing here . There will be other situations , maybe you pick up QQ+ etc or maybe you blind down to 5bb and mincash then you still have the small chance of spinning it up again
6 places away is close enough that you're pretty likely to be able to make the cash . That's a pretty good result when you have <10bb in a tourney
Spot on the point. "Play to win", many people misunderstood this theory. If we can't even get into ITM, what's the point talking about winning the tournament? Play to win to me is getting into ITM and willing to take more risk or be more aggressive until huge pay jump occurs, that's what from my understanding "Play To Win". It is not worth taking a coin flip with 77 now.
9 PP Sunday Main Event, have 9BB, 6 before money: fold 77 in BB vs SB shove? Quote
11-13-2018 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Beachman42
OP - in all seriousness, would you have posted this hand had you called and won? The trolling you received is actually pretty mild given the trivial answer to your posted question.
I would quite possibly have overlooked this spot, if SB had not sucked out with 45o, yes indeed. Overlooking a spot does not mean there's nothing to learn.

Does Frogman's answer down below seem like a "troll"? He brings up exactly the reason I think it's not so trivial at all, and why I think that if the same situation came up at the exact bubble I think is should be an easy fold: folding gets me a very good chance at $230; calling and losing means zero, so calling and winning must more than make up for the possibility of calling and losing with ~40%. Are you so easily sure that those 60% of the time that you double up, you make on average so much more than min-cash that you overcome the 40% of the time with result "zero"? If it's so obvious, it should also be easy to give some estimate as to how much more than min-cash "on average" the double-up yields

I personally tend to think in this spot the EV of calling is higher than EV of folding, but it's close enough imo that it may not be as "easy" as some reckon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogman3
I expect it's a fold
mincash is $230 and you prob wont get double that amount until like top 18
9bb > 20bb isnt worth the 40% risk of getting nothing here . There will be other situations , maybe you pick up QQ+ etc or maybe you blind down to 5bb and mincash then you still have the small chance of spinning it up again
6 places away is close enough that you're pretty likely to be able to make the cash . That's a pretty good result when you have <10bb in a tourney
9 PP Sunday Main Event, have 9BB, 6 before money: fold 77 in BB vs SB shove? Quote

      
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