Hey guys, left of me is sitting Tony Gregg who flats my open and villain 2 has 3bet vs ep open w 99 and got it in for a lot of bb vs AK. His stats 23/21/17 over 43 hands. Our stats were pretty aggro too. 29/18/15 over 69 hands, but he hasn't seen the first 26 hands were I did most of my 3bets.

Anyway, I don't like bloating pots early and this deep, but I was under the assumption that vs a fish you should get in as much money as possible preflop. My question is therefor twofold: 1 is this true, and two how do I play this hand the best way. I usually look for the best and most profitable spots and I know a tournament with a great structure like this isn't worth to get a big stack early, but then again I don't think I have an edge against most of them.

My ABI is $15 and I know I have a reasonable edge over that buyin.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on all streets.

the preflop 4b is pretty massive. not being too results oriented but at this stack depth i dont mind having no 4betting range at all here, esp ip. as played i guess you have to gii with how big the pot is but generally getting in roughly 150bb on that flop with one pair is going to end up badly. id consider b/f flop because of how narrow his calling range pre for calling the 4b from sb has to be.

Yes 4bet is too large
ch-bk flop

I don't mind the 4bet pre because CO will almost always overcall if you flat, I don't mind the sizing much either, we 4bet to 24bb at 178bb deep, that's not super strange. And we did get peeled by QTs so how horrible could it possibly be?

I would check back flop and debate between folding and calling the c/r, jamming makes no sense. He's either bluffing us with something crappy or he flopped a set/flush, he's not c/r'ing the Ah or something. Yes it sucks when he has a bad heart that he would've folded to a jam and a heart comes, but putting in all this money with 0% equity is too much of a downside for when he does have it.

Preflop: Raising to just around 5'200 probably does the trick as well, if you want to get money in the pot I guess you could raise more though.

Flop: Pot would be aound 11'500 now. So you could go with a 3'200 bet instead of 4'285 and he would probably raise you to 8'600 wich you would call.
Folding would be an option too though.

Turn: Pot would now be 28'700. If he checks again, check behind.

River: Pot still the same. He would probably bet and with the gutshot on the board as well, you might be able to gt rid of QQ.

You would still be around 30k and have 120BB's left, enough chips to do anything you want.
I can see why a push here is tempting but shoving 150bb in a deep tournament, on a flop where you are possibly already beaten is a bad move. Even if he "only" has the flushdraw it would be too much at stake.

I mean what does he really represent on the flop? Would he 3bet call (preflop) you light with hands like JT one ?
He might have the flush already or have you crushed with KK/AA. Also AK with one is likely or even 99 and you are behind against all those hands. You basically only beat a bluff in my eyes.

You tried to take the pot on the Flop but it didnt work, save your chips and move on.

probably just ignore my post as i ignored the co flat lol

im not sure i agree with the possible bluffs you mentioned. theres so little complete trash in his range when he puts that much money in pre that i think he could easily put some AhXx into his x/r bluffing range. like generally checkraising made flushes and some unpaired AhXx makes sense, doesnt it? i agree with your argument though that checking back flop is better than betting and not knowing what to do haha.

4b pre prolly too small. Wouldn't mind checking back flop.

Vs aggro opp, and givin position, def 4bet and really like your sizing , don´t wanna flat here and give Greg odds to call IP.
Flop is interesting (some Pioslver´s can help us a little bit in this one), i´ll prob go around 3K so we can call a x/r if that happens, cus i hate bet/f also.
Not betting flop is being results oriented.... : yeah why not x and hope a falls ott or river! (we gotta bet for value/protection vs TT-JJ and AK,AQ )