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10-19-2018 , 04:15 AM

cizixap

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

Freeze-out €100 BI local donkament.
blinds 50/100 no antes
Hero, ˜40BB opens 2.25BB with 9

from HJ.
BTN, ˜40BB calls
BB, ˜60BB calls.

Flop(7.25BB) Q

BB checks, Hero bets 4BB, BTN calls, BB calls

Turn(19.25BB) 6

BB checks, hero bets 11BB, HJ calls, BB folds

River (41.25BB) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 15BB. Hero?

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10-19-2018 , 09:42 AM

BiggAli

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 198

What does hero possibly beat on this river ?

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10-19-2018 , 11:37 AM

cizixap

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

^^ bluffs

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10-19-2018 , 12:57 PM

Georgek21

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 29

Looks like a Q a lot of the time or maybe 78 betting for value. I think I would check fold here in this spot. Think you could possible bluff if A or K came or bet for value if your magical 7 came on the river

But in this case after the button calls the flop with the bb left to act and calls the turn as well they more than likely have a fairly strong hand

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10-19-2018 , 12:58 PM

Georgek21

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*obviously if spade came awell bet for value

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10-19-2018 , 01:05 PM

cizixap

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What bothers me a lot is Qx hand might have raised OTF for protection, so there is a chance that he does not have Qx OTR .

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10-20-2018 , 10:45 PM

devnull2

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Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 109

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Originally Posted by cizixap

What bothers me a lot is Qx hand might have raised OTF for protection, so there is a chance that he does not have Qx OTR .

I don't think most live players are raising Qx hands (especially something like Q9o) on the flop. There aren't that many draws either. This looks to me like a weak Q, I fold.

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10-20-2018 , 11:10 PM

bumpnrun

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Really don’t like the turn bet. Fold now

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10-21-2018 , 04:13 AM

cizixap

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

okay, so I folded putting him to Qx hand and he showed A

! That makes me think that other hands he could choose the same line with are A

, K

, J

, A

there are some amount of Qx in his range too : KQ(12), QJ(12), QTs(3), Q9s(2)
if we think that he never raises Qx OTF, then calling is not justified. If we think that he raises Qx 50% of the time, then calling is break-even.

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10-21-2018 , 04:14 AM

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cizixap

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun

Really don’t like the turn bet. Fold now

It's the straight flush draw, how could you not bet here?

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10-21-2018 , 08:50 AM

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wowsooooted

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

Multiway im fine checking the flop, if we cb this we are proly cb too much when there is 2 others in the hand, when the success rate of a bluff cb is likely low best to check and see what happens.

As played we have to fold river, we are not high up enough in our range to play for 3 streets now, we beat bluffs but don't see many that get here like this, Q doesn't always raise the flop ip. 6x and 78 get there along with all his queens. Otr if hes fairly polar in theory and can't have too many bluffs then his range is value weighted.. its different if the board is more wet as he can have more bluffs.

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10-21-2018 , 08:56 AM

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cizixap

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^^ but we have gs(5689), bdfd(spades) and bdsd(Q98), this is very strong draw which we can routinely c-bet with, even against 2 players, i believe.

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10-21-2018 , 09:13 AM

#13

wowsooooted

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Depending on your style and the way you construct your postflop ranges it can be ok in the right spots esp with deep stacks and reads but the way I like to structure my cb% including this hand in it just won't work for me personally.. proly more of a cash game play when we 100+

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10-21-2018 , 02:34 PM

#14

cizixap

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^^ I see...I don't give a f*ck about balancing and often c-bet with the whole range against one opponent, but against two of them c-bet range includes the strongest hands/draws and no bluffs.

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10-21-2018 , 03:03 PM

#15

bearer

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Played fine. Flop, turn are mandatory cbets imo.

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10-23-2018 , 06:03 AM

#16

BiggAli

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I guess you're just mad because he showed you the bluff. Give him credit for a good bluff and go on to the next hand. His line fits much more a Q, a 6 or 78 than a bluff.

As it happened he floated the flop with an A high spade flush draw which won't occur very often especially that we had 2 blockers. You can't possibly call on this river without a strong tell on villain.

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10-23-2018 , 06:08 AM

#17

cizixap

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^^ Thanks for reassuring, I came to the same conclusion

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10-25-2018 , 12:42 PM

#18

jjpregler

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Originally Posted by devnull2

I don't think most live players are raising Qx hands (especially something like Q9o) on the flop. There aren't that many draws either. This looks to me like a weak Q, I fold.

I agree and disagree. Yes, most live players will just call a c-bet with a Q, but they will also usually check behind with most Q's on the river as well. I don't see many Q's in his range that play it like this. This range looks polarized, nuts or nothing type of bet. And if you ask yourself, does he play QQ, 55, 66, 65s this way, you probably have to answer no. They should all be more aggressive somewhere before this.

This range looks polarized and the bet is pretty small, I think I may look him up. You only have to be right about 27% of the time.

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10-25-2018 , 03:33 PM

#19

nonsimplesimon

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 10,011

I like checking the turn.

HU I'd bet it. Versus two live ones I'm likely giving up.

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11-14-2018 , 07:32 AM

#20

Gettingood

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Would bet flop slightly smaller with range; ~40%

Turn barrel is only good if you think villains are folding Qx when facing 3 barrels. Would not expect turn bet to have enough fe on its own. While we hit 9 otr, we still are really low in our range and we lack many bluffs but have decent VR. This makes me think we should bet 75% ott and ship this river. (Would bet like ~40%,~75%, ~95%) Now if we 3barrell sd like 78, we can use that instead on many rivers but w/ 9x otr our bluffs are like JTss, KJss and few lower AXss while we still have at least AQ+ to vbet.

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11-14-2018 , 07:37 AM

#21

Gettingood

centurion

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Oh hero doesn’t obviously have all 78 so 98ss is prolly a bluff anyway otr. (imo)

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