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Originally Posted by VUcats
Also can you explain the "kill" part of the game? I've never played anything like that.
From my rulebook:
"KILL POT GAMES
Kill games are a method to occasionally allow a higher limit hand or hands to be played, without making the whole game a higher limit.
A full kill means the bets are doubled for the next hand ($2/4 becomes $4/8). Half-kill would mean that the next hand is $3/6. A 2/3's kill is rarely used (makes $3/6 into $5/10 or $6/12 into $10/20 for example)
How it works: depending on the rule in place- either two pots in a row of some minimum size (lower amount), or the person who wins a big pot higher than a certain amount (it's often 10 or more big bets)- the winner has to post a "kill" blind on the next hand.
This money goes in as a live blind, from whatever seat they are in (button, middle, UTG, already scheduled for a regular blind, etc). If the kill player is scheduled to post a normal blind on the kill hand, the larger kill blind replaces that player’s blind. The player who is the “kill player” is normally given a “kill” lammer, which is placed on top of the kill blind stack.
The posting of the kill blind amount is NOT optional. If the player leaves the game on the kill hand, they are still required to leave behind the kill blind amount that they are responsible for.
None of the kill blind goes into the pot before the deal as “dead money” (this is not the same as missing blinds and posting behind the button)
The kill blind is a live amount, similar to a big blind. All other action before and after the kill blind player must equal the amount of the kill blind, or raise to an amount double the size of the kill blind if first to raise. This includes the normal big blind, who can no longer see the flop “for free.”
There are two ways that the kill is typically handled, preflop:
a) The kill hand acts in normal order, by position, as mentioned above.
b) The kill hand has last action preflop, no matter what position the kill hand is in. It acts AFTER the rest of the table has acted in order, up through the big blind, and can raise even if everyone else has only called.
Once all of the blinds and the initial kill blind are posted, the game is dealt normally and the betting limits are set at the higher amount.
In order to “maintain” a kill pot- making the next hand a kill hand as well- the winning pot on a kill pot hand must be a certain trigger amount based on the higher limit in play. Typically for our game, 10 big bets at the higher limit is the trigger to maintain a kill pot.
Note that, in some games, scooping the kill hand triggers the kill instead, regardless of the size of the pot won. Rules vary.
If a kill pot is maintained, the betting limits remain at the higher limit and the mandatory kill blind must be posted by the new kill player. The new hand is dealt and played at the higher betting limits, as above.
Once the string of consecutive kill pot hands is broken- the initial or maintain kill triggers are not met by the winning pot amount- the game reverts back to the base betting limits. The kill lammer is removed from play and the game continues at the normal levels until the initial kill trigger is hit again.
** If a player bets an amount that would trigger a kill, but no one calls the bet, the kill is not triggered for the next hand.
REKILL- Some kill games are set up with a double kill betting structure. If the kill trigger is hit again during a kill hand, the game is said to be “rekilled.”
In a ½ rekill game with a base of $2/4, the first kill hand would be at $3/6 and the rekill hand would be at $4/8. During the rekill hand, the “maintain kill” trigger amount is based on the highest betting limit.
Some games may allow unlimited rekills, which means that each larger level can push the betting upwards, based on the same kill trigger formula. The table should agree to the kill rules that will be used, before starting the game.
Note- one thing I'm not personally aware of- if you've had multiple, escalating kills and now the kill threshold is missed, what level do you drop to? One lower level, or all of the way back down? We typically drop the whole way, to the original bet limits, but again rules may vary.
Here's an example: $2/4 game with a half-kill, no rekill (what we typically play- it may be announced as “half-kill $40/$70” to indicate the kill trigger amounts)
8 players, you are in seat 6 (6 to the left of the button). The previous hand, you dragged down a $43 pot with your usual- 72offsuit. The half-kill game in effect has a kill trigger of $40, meaning that the next hand will be a "kill pot" hand (this is announced).
The button moves, the $1 SB and $2 big blind go out. You put out $3 as the kill blind, which is live. The cards are dealt, and you see (with joy in your heart) an even stronger hand- 73offsuit!
The first person in, seat 4, either has to call $3 (not the $2 BB, but your "raise"), as does seat 5. Your turn to act! You can raise your powerhouse hand or just call for deception (you're already in for $3, so it's similar to being in the BB).
You decide to suck us in and just limp; a few more people call and it hits the SB. Now the small blind has to decide whether to fold, call $2 more to $3 total, or raise to $6. The BB has to do the same- if the SB didn't raise, the BB has to put in $1 more to call.
After that, it continues on as a $3/6 game for THAT HAND ONLY. Unless someone wins a 10 big bets pot again (or whatever the rule is- it usually would be $70 in this case) after someone wins the last kill hand, the game reverts to the normal $2/4 game... until someone triggers the kill pot again.
NOTE- a special rule in rotations games with a kill trigger, that may be implemented by table preference, is to carry over the kill hand to a future hand.
Typically this has occurred when a mix of board and stud games are in rotation- the kill hand skips over all of the stud game hands. The player that would have been required to post the kill ante, on the following hand after his/her win, will be required to post the kill ante when the next board game in the rotation is spread.
Note that this may not be the same board game that was being played when the kill was triggered! "
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