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05-03-2019 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sevencard2003
i dont think the clubs have the money to pay them right now either, til they get back whats been seized. but i know everyone who was in there playing on that day it got shut down and had a big percentage of their roll in the game has got to be pissed and worried when theyll be paid. i blame all the people who swore it was legal, nothing to worry about and nothing will happen and fooled all the first time visitors who went over to play some poker and was about to cash out their profits when things went down. lots of people play far less poker than u or me, they dont spend 200 hours a month in a poker room like we do. and they had absolutely no reason not to fully take everyone at their word it was 100% legal. they didnt know, they see it advertised prominently by poker media, how are they supposed to know? but see how bad theyre ****ed. the poker social media sites need to be held responsible as much as the clubs. This would include the ownership and management of 2+2, poker atlas, etc.
Agree. All the local media publishing reports saying the clubs are legal should be sued...the radio stations running ads...the billboard companies...etc.

Class action anyone? I bet Clear Channel will settle for a high enough amount to get everyone their money back.
05-03-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sdwhitt
$40 is just the $10 door fee and 2 hours of $15 seat rental. However, I think many will just ball at seeing $40.
Also, SoHo was open yesterday


Exactly my thought even people coming after work are still probably going to put in a two hour session.
05-03-2019 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sdwhitt
$40 is just the $10 door fee and 2 hours of $15 seat rental. However, I think many will just ball at seeing $40.
Also, SoHo was open yesterday
Not everyone stays for two hours though...in my own example, there were times that I hit a place long enough for traffic to die down. I rarely stuck around for two hours. As such, I have no interest in spending $40 to trade money with what will probably be the same dozen people (which is what basically happened a few years ago with the old Club 333).
05-03-2019 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
I noted that Rounders in Spring has revised their page and is now claiming a poker-themed social club and will be charging a $40 daily fee with no other fees (and obviously, no rake).

Personally, I don't see that lasting long...if you have to pony a fee up each day at that level, you are not going to get the traffic from the player who just wanted to play a few hours after work, if that much.

That's actually a very good deal for the player. Prime was $16/hour + daily fee($10). So that's $42 for two hours. Vast majority of poker players stay longer than 2 hours anyway. It's a steal for any real poker player. The club owners will have to get away with paying staff/dealers restaurant min wage, though.
05-04-2019 , 12:16 AM
Iv'e heard some of the people who had rented lock boxes at Prime had over 60k in their boxes... Man what a hit... Never leave that much. Always cash out...
05-04-2019 , 06:55 AM
lets ask the resident attorney Michelle in this thread how those people u are talking of who had 60k in their safety deposit box can reclaim it. whose holding it now, the police or the club? who would u sue? would the club return it if they could and could they be charged with theft or does the police have it?

again a lot of people had no idea it was illegal, sure u knew, i knew, michelle knew, but for a lot of regular customers taking radio and newspaper ads and word of mouth of friends? how the xxxx would they know anything like this would happen? the only people whod know there was a risk would be the ones smarter to be well experienced in poker and familiar with things like this.
05-04-2019 , 11:56 AM
It looks like Lions converted to a $60/day model.
05-04-2019 , 12:03 PM
A coworker told me on the news they had reported that one of crimes there charged with was not withholding for large tournament wins? Isn’t the responsibility on the players for tax reporting?
05-04-2019 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by zizek
It looks like Lions converted to a $60/day model.
I wonder y ... yesterday rounders did and today Lions hmmm
05-04-2019 , 01:48 PM
Hmm. So, I believe they were operating within technical legality. However, if the DA wants you gone, I feel like it will be very difficult to stay afloat.

I'm curious what likelyhood it is that anybody is able to cash in their chips. Also keep in mind they let players leave with chips. So, the following scenarios can occur...

1) They fight the charges, reopen and cashout any outstanding chips
2) They fight the charges, but realize they may not be able to stay open for long, and thus it is more profitable to stay shut down and not cash out players chips (not sure the legality of this one)
3) They get shut down and the money remains seized, the DA uses the seized funds to cash out affected players
4) They get shut down and the money remains seized, the DA keeps the money.

I feel that 4 seems rather unlikely, and as does 2. Thus, I think there's actually a pretty good chance affected players will get $ back, though it may take time.
05-04-2019 , 03:34 PM
So, um, how's the action at Lions?
05-04-2019 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Makonnen
So, um, how's the action at Lions?
Very good (in the PLO games). They went to a new model today. $60 and you can play all day. Attempt I guess to show they make nothing off the actual poker playing.
05-05-2019 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasLexus
I didn’t review any of the above, but that’s ok, I think I understand the laws alleged to be broken pretty well. Guess it’s up to your DA, and perhaps the feds, to do their jobs.



And I always find it interesting how holier-than-thou most of you defense attorneys get when you see a perceived “injustice” which is really just law enforcement enforcing the laws on the books. But I guess you’ll blame that belief on my past history as a prosecutor.
LOL of course you were a prosecutor. I was wondering why you were such an obnoxious douche. It all fits now.
05-05-2019 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
LOL of course you were a prosecutor. I was wondering why you were such an obnoxious douche. It all fits now.
Shai! You’re back! Missed you so much. Guess you’ve been too busy crushing all the 1/2 games wherever you ran off to to post here. I could never rise to your level of douchebaggery. You’re the champ!
05-05-2019 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by zizek
It looks like Lions converted to a $60/day model.
For those with a decent bankroll and play long sessions this is a good deal. For those trying to jump into a game and play short stack and trying to hit a lick there days are done..
05-07-2019 , 07:52 PM
Looks like the new plan for most of these places is to go to a higher door fee and no hourly fee.

Anyone have a list of the clubs still closed?
05-07-2019 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HTwnPokerGuy
Freerolls has already tried this model...and we've all seen how well it's worked out for them.
Likely the only business model left to try. Which could,change everything.
05-08-2019 , 01:49 AM
Difference is, when Freerolls did it you still had Prime, Post Oak, and Mint doing the hourly. Now you don’t. Plus the location wasn’t the best.
05-08-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sdwhitt
Difference is, when Freerolls did it you still had Prime, Post Oak, and Mint doing the hourly. Now you don’t. Plus the location wasn’t the best.
Speaking of Freerolls. They are back open today.
05-08-2019 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM
Speaking of Freerolls. They are back open today.
It looks like all of the clubs are open now except for the two that got raided and Mint.
05-09-2019 , 10:43 AM
How many of the remaining Houston area clubs that are currently open are still charging hourly club access fees?
05-09-2019 , 08:44 PM
SoHo charges $8 for seat fees and $10 daily membership and seems they are consistently getting cash games off now. Mint is still closed and no info of when they were gonna re-Open was given when I asked employees
05-10-2019 , 02:01 AM
I plan being in Austin at the end of the month for some poker - should I be concerned the clubs there could be next? Or does each city have t's own politics?
05-10-2019 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
I plan being in Austin at the end of the month for some poker - should I be concerned the clubs there could be next? Or does each city have t's own politics?
As a player, you should be far more concerned with the risk of getting robbed.
05-10-2019 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
I plan being in Austin at the end of the month for some poker - should I be concerned the clubs there could be next? Or does each city have t's own politics?
The DA in Travis County is not in the midst of being blasted for blowing capital murder cases while also being on record as ignoring pot laws and immigration hold requests nor is the police chief in the crosshairs for having had officers who lied to get a warrant that subsequently resulted in two innocents being gunned down in the search warrant execution.

Remember also that there were only two rooms that were made the subject of frivolous prosecution in Harris County. Many others continue to operate.

To the most fundamental issue...yes, each jurisdiction has its own politics. And yes, politics were at play in Harris County for the reasons detailed in this thread as well as the one in NVG.

      
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