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Old 12-19-2018, 03:06 AM   #1226
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Re: Membership-Based Poker in Texas

If someone ever tries to rob me I hope they use a taser. At my house would be perfect.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:05 AM   #1227
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I say impossible and credible evidence not presented - nobody in their right mind would not have filed a police report - I would understand if they were coming from an underground game but they were coming from a legal game.

Show a copy of a police report or it didn't happen
clivestraddle, don't know you other than your posts (many of which are long winded and don't really add anything of substance btw) but I can tell you that it did happen. Last night I spoke to some other players at Prime about it. It 100% happened and I know the player that it happened to. He is a well know limit and Hi/Lo player in Houston. Regarding the police report, when did I say there wasn't a police report? Not sure if there was one or not, but I'm assuming there would be. It's not really my job to go dig the thing up to validate it for you. Not going to out the player. I'm sure that someone else that plays at Prime can validate the story.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:07 PM   #1228
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Any news in Dallas/ft Worth area? New rooms? Court hearings? Anyone trying?
Why would there be a court hearing? There have been no civil or criminal proceedings that were initiated up there. Just a few rooms/owners that caved to a perceived threat by law enforcement (which is an entity that is not always skilled in nuances of the law). Prosecutors have not sought to initiate criminal proceedings against anyone up there as relates to poker room operations...
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Old 12-19-2018, 09:13 PM   #1229
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Thanks for all the updates. haven't been on in a while..
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:41 AM   #1230
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:43 AM   #1231
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Why would there be a court hearing? There have been no civil or criminal proceedings that were initiated up there. Just a few rooms/owners that caved to a perceived threat by law enforcement (which is an entity that is not always skilled in nuances of the law). Prosecutors have not sought to initiate criminal proceedings against anyone up there as relates to poker room operations...
You don't have to be a **** about it. How the F would I know exactly what's going on? It's been over a year since they shut down here, maybe something had changed. Maybe someone decided to do something.

It's pretty surprising nothing has really happened around here in a year.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:48 PM   #1232
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I say impossible and credible evidence not presented - nobody in their right mind would not have filed a police report - I would understand if they were coming from an underground game but they were coming from a legal game.

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Clive, the guy this happened to was an Asian gent named Sean. His nickname is ďKorean ChickenĒ. Robber wasnít caught.
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Old 12-23-2018, 03:22 AM   #1233
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is he the guy that moved back to LV or Cali - someone came in and claimed it but had really fuzzy evidence
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Old 12-24-2018, 02:32 AM   #1234
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I'm not sure why anyone would support anything Freerolls does going forward. It is obvious that the owners and management of this place are nothing more then con artist trying to make a score and they have taken the poker community to all be Marks. In all honestly I hope criminal charges are filed against these fools.
I just found out that their former GM Dex was used as the scapegoat for their investors for everything that has gone wrong and he is owed over $20,000 going all the way back to the old location. This includes $4,000 They he paid out of pocket to pay dealers that worked the WPTDS Event. I was also told Trent lied on Poker Lab Radio saying there were 33 seats given away or won by players at their first location and someone within their club is willing to provide proof with pictures of all the receipts because they donít want to live with lies. When does this end? I hope they pay the man what heís owed and the poker industry will stand up for whatís right and get rid of people like Trent who make us all look bad.
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Old 12-24-2018, 03:12 AM   #1235
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I just found out that their former GM Dex was used as the scapegoat for their investors for everything that has gone wrong and he is owed over $20,000 going all the way back to the old location. This includes $4,000 They he paid out of pocket to pay dealers that worked the WPTDS Event. I was also told Trent lied on Poker Lab Radio saying there were 33 seats given away or won by players at their first location and someone within their club is willing to provide proof with pictures of all the receipts because they donít want to live with lies. When does this end? I hope they pay the man what heís owed and the poker industry will stand up for whatís right and get rid of people like Trent who make us all look bad.
In regards to the seats - would it matter since the chips were correctly paid out - I see your point that if the seats weren't used at all and forfeited the money should have been in the prize pool but who is to say that they didnt just give the seats to someone else as staked or at a discounted price - that would be impossible to prove or verify.
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Old 12-24-2018, 04:35 AM   #1236
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In regards to the seats - would it matter since the chips were correctly paid out - I see your point that if the seats weren't used at all and forfeited the money should have been in the prize pool but who is to say that they didnt just give the seats to someone else as staked or at a discounted price - that would be impossible to prove or verify.
Because if you read my post, it said that there was someone who could provide that proof via pictures of receipts they gave to players. The chips would not have been correct if they blinded out players who won seats but did not play. After the dinner break of Day 1D, they should have entered those chips as dead stacks and blinded them out to make this chip count and the prizepool correct.
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Old 12-24-2018, 04:41 AM   #1237
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In regards to the seats - would it matter since the chips were correctly paid out - I see your point that if the seats weren't used at all and forfeited the money should have been in the prize pool but who is to say that they didnt just give the seats to someone else as staked or at a discounted price - that would be impossible to prove or verify.
And why would they give seats at a discounted price as you stated, if they could just pocket $1,100 per seat for themselves.
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Old 12-24-2018, 05:03 AM   #1238
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no i agree but there is no way to prove they were NOT used at all -

of course to put them in at ANY point as a dead stack - would have been a disadvantage to the days that DID NOT include them for that would have skewed that day's of chips

this is only going to be one person's word against another

Its a mute issue since there is no independent way of verifying anything
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Old 12-24-2018, 05:21 AM   #1239
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no i agree but there is no way to prove they were NOT used at all -

of course to put them in at ANY point as a dead stack - would have been a disadvantage to the days that DID NOT include them for that would have skewed that day's of chips

this is only going to be one person's word against another

Its a mute issue since there is no independent way of verifying anything
How is it mute? Let me spell it out, so maybe you would get the point. Trent went on Poker Lab Radio and stated that 33 WPTDS seats were given away or won at the first location. So before the Event actually took place, the prizepool should have been at $33,000. But in actuality, they gave away or players won, at least 38 seats so it should have started at $38,000 before ny unique player paid to play. Meaning, there was at least $5,000 unaccounted for and could have been pocketed by Trent Daniel. And since someone is willing to give actual proof, that means the prizepool should have been a minimum of $795,000 and not $790,000. So whereís the other $5,000 that should have been put into the prizepool since players either won it or given away? So if you still donít understand how Trent stole money and lied, then I donít know how else I can break it down for.
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:43 AM   #1240
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sorry..i made a homonym mistate - i meant MOOT point - I have heard personally from both sides on many of these issues and there are questions that are not resolved in my mind on both sides of every issue that came up.

Keep in mind I have known some of the players for over 2 decades - there are things that ring true in credibility of the arguments from each party and contradictions as well - I can not say there is 100% truth being spoken by anyone and each make an argument from their side.

In addition - 5k though it might be a large amount - it could be hidden in details that neither of us are aware of. Why did it take this long to appear - why was it not brought up at the meeting - there are many people that were working in the back office and none of them disputed the original number and in fact the number that was bantered before was actually lower than the reported number by trent.

That being said - this is essentially a dead issue at this point - there is no way to prove what the right number is and how it was handled. This business is fraught with no accountability on anyone's part that one just has to take the numbers at face value and continue.

I think that these issues and the fact there was no transparency will ultimately be a thorn freerolls will number overcome in some player's minds and to overcome this stigma may indeed never be resolved.

That being said - i think it is a tempest in a teapot and is time to move on but lets see what happens from here.
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:56 AM   #1241
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Last point - I find it really odd that five people won a 1k seat and have not spoken up - do you honestly think that 5 out of 38 people calmly just shrugged their shoulders and didn't speak up and abandoned their seats - that they did not try to sell them or stake another player?...It just does not add up.
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Old 12-27-2018, 11:58 AM   #1242
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I don’t. I was there when they first opened and a guy from Puerto Rico won. Someone gets sick or has an emergency. Couple others think that with the place closing that the tourney was off. Some might not be as deligent as everyone here is.
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Old 12-27-2018, 12:03 PM   #1243
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I donít. I was there when they first opened and a guy from Puerto Rico won. Someone gets sick or has an emergency. Couple others think that with the place closing that the tourney was off. Some might not be as deligent as everyone here is.
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Old 12-27-2018, 12:19 PM   #1244
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very true...seems a high rate of non play however

its not like they disappeared off the map
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Old 12-27-2018, 12:41 PM   #1245
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Well it looks like Trent passed his fire marshall inspection. Freerolls West opens today. It sure does look nice just wonder how many of those 17 tables he's going to be able to fill.
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Old 12-27-2018, 11:03 PM   #1246
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Trent Daniels is scumbag scam artist and he will run that place into the ground. He owes so many people that a few he owed showed up and demanded to be put in WPT tournament and he put them in as unique entries. Tell me since he is so broke how he could cover that. Yeah its not a rumor that Dex the GM is owed over 20k and they refuse to pay him. Was told he payed for the RFID table that ScamRolls has. I heard they are open and im sure Trent playing cash games with Investor money or profit. Just watch what happens to that place soon and I cant wait to say I was right he will Screw everyone as always
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Old 12-27-2018, 11:47 PM   #1247
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From the floor at freerolls tonight

Membership (1 time) fee is now $10 - believe it was waived first night
$10 fee to enter "play zone" - there seems to be a free zone for playing other games
$15/hr to play - once you get your chips - they give you an extra 5 min of time to get to your table
Asked if BYOB was ok..no..we have a liquor license - they don't - so why no BYOB
Tips are in cash - for every $1 tip you get 30 seconds of time ($15/hr is 0.25/min - so they are rebating you 12.5 cents.

Dealers are inexperienced - i know one is a mediocre one at best and the other it was the first time they ever dealt cards.

No food - no drinks on opening night - with 3 tables running and $450 per hr and opening night....oh well

you can buy in at 70% of big stack
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Old 12-28-2018, 01:36 AM   #1248
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Any Houston locations that do $10/hr? All the Austin/San Antonio rooms are $10/hr.
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Old 12-28-2018, 02:02 AM   #1249
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many and there is a push to go lower
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Old 12-28-2018, 12:21 PM   #1250
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Asked if BYOB was ok..no..we have a liquor license - they don't - so why no BYOB
It is possible they have one and are being smart by not serving for the first 90 days (the probationary period).

I knew some places years ago here in Texas that would get the license but not serve for precisely that reason. As I recall, a violation while in that probationary period was almost an auto-revoke of the license...some would get the license but not open the establishment for the 90 days.

There are also some liability issues that can enter the equation with the BYOB practices, especially with the heightened scrutiny in Harris County on over-serving. Remember, just in the past few weeks, we have seen multiple arrests of bar staff for having over-served and then had the patron go out and get into a fatality crash.

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Tips are in cash - for every $1 tip you get 30 seconds of time ($15/hr is 0.25/min - so they are rebating you 12.5 cents.
Can see that coming to bite them squarely in the ass...seems that everyone wants to push the envelope, and it is that continuing to push that will run the biggest risk of killing off the golden goose.
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