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Old 07-16-2018, 03:18 AM   #1001
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Re: Membership-Based Poker in Texas

there are 3-5 tables every night...but there are not enough for 3 separations of the classes..i think 500 to maybe 1k max is best...

but my point is in the rebuys of people that get stacked - many players play 5-12 hrs and the stacks on the 1/3 get tremendous - so that is the solution i would think that needs to be addressed
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:27 PM   #1002
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Two solutions

A - increase the max buy in to 500 and rebuys can be either 1/2 / 3/4 or up to big stack - this will allow someone that loses a massive pot to have a chance to get their money back - If someone gets a massive stack (and this is what i saw after 5 hrs of play) - they became the chip bully wiping out short stacks when they made a push of $60-120 all in pre and its off to the races or
B - "Dissolve" the tables every 4/6 or 12 hrs - starting them over - now if the players disagree you can "starve" the tables by bringing players to the new tables and not bringing them to tables that run a long time - some form of this will eventually peter out the massive stacks and they will move to lower average stack games and they can buy in according to the suggestion in Point "a".

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The latter encourages a forced rat-holing. After all, someone who builds a big stack then welcomes the break and move since they get to pocket an arguably huge profit. This is no bueno given the tendency to rip on those who rat-hole or go south or whatever other term you want to apply to money coming off the table.

The reality is that, aside from a new table opening in a capped environment, you are ALWAYS going to have big stacks and small stacks. This holds true in Biloxi, New Orleans, Las Vegas and any other area where poker might be played. Players adapt and play THEIR game. If I sit with $200 and someone has $2K, the effective is STILL only my $200. Even the big stack players learn this, especially after they take a few hits from the smaller stack who adapts to the table dynamic.

And, if someone is playing with less than $100, then they KNEW what they were getting into when they decided to short-stack or, alternately, refused to top up. It is NOT the responsibilities of the bigger stack to change the rules to accommodate the shorter stacks nor should the house look to make those changes.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:10 PM   #1003
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Re: Membership-Based Poker in Texas

Though i have seen max buyin at casinos - the more common is a max or X% of the big stack
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:30 PM   #1004
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Re: Membership-Based Poker in Texas

Relevantly, the 1/1 game at Mint yesterday was popping. They had 3 tables of that going. It's great for the higher stakes because it feels like it pulls a lot of the nitty scared money out.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:34 PM   #1005
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Clivestraddle why 100% rake free in your games online and home now?
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #1006
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:57 PM   #1007
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Though i have seen max buyin at casinos - the more common is a max or X% of the big stack
Not my experience at all. Really the "match the big stack" or "75% of the big stack" is something I'd only seen in the south until very recently.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:08 PM   #1008
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Relevantly, the 1/1 game at Mint yesterday was popping. They had 3 tables of that going. It's great for the higher stakes because it feels like it pulls a lot of the nitty scared money out.
I asked entire managerment and all dealers over the last two days and they said there has not been one table of it make yet. I even asked to be put on the list for it Sat / Sun and Monday
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:22 PM   #1009
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Pretty simple offer a 1/3 game with a max buy in of 300 and have some with higher max buy-ins... The market will determine which game people will play.

1/3 max buy in 300
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1/3 no cap
I'm originally from the DC area, moved to Texas last year. This issue came up in the DC area at Maryland Live last year, for their 2/5 games. The max buy in was $500. There were complaints by some, but the room didn't want to raise the max buy in to $1,000. Maryland Live tried sort of what you suggest. They had two options, one with the $500 max buy in, and the other with a $1,000 max buy in. What happened was all the recreational players played the $500 max buy in game, while the only ones who would sign up for the $1,000 max were the regulars. Eventually, the regs realized that they made most of their money of the recreational players, who weren't playing the higher max buy in games. So that max buy in game rarely ran.

As a response to another casino in the area (MGM National Harbor) Maryland Live did eventually make all their 2/5 games a max buy in of $1,000.

I don't see offering the two different options at a single venue as being productive or working. Realistically only one game will be played.

Why not have a 1/2 with a $300 or 1/3 game with a $500 max buy in and then have a 2/5 game with a $1,000 max buy in? This would seem to be a better solution.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:55 PM   #1010
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I don't think you see the problem

this "legal room" is open 24 hrs per day - so you get there and you are facing 1k+ stacks (5 or more) - so if you lose a big hand..you cant bet them off hands...there are generally 2-4 1/3 games ..all except one will be hyper aggressive -$25-40 preflop on almost every hand - so we are not talking about a "real" 1/3 game here...

80% of the players are game runners / dealers / game room owners and semi pros - the few recreational players are getting killed but now the sharks are feeding off each other because of this new cap RE BUY - i dont mind a $500 cap or up to X% of big stack

I have seen as much as 9k stacks commonly
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:16 PM   #1011
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I don't think you see the problem

this "legal room" is open 24 hrs per day - so you get there and you are facing 1k+ stacks (5 or more) - so if you lose a big hand..you cant bet them off hands...there are generally 2-4 1/3 games ..all except one will be hyper aggressive -$25-40 preflop on almost every hand - so we are not talking about a "real" 1/3 game here...

80% of the players are game runners / dealers / game room owners and semi pros - the few recreational players are getting killed but now the sharks are feeding off each other because of this new cap RE BUY - i dont mind a $500 cap or up to X% of big stack

I have seen as much as 9k stacks commonly
And big stacks never confront someone sitting down in actual casino games? Have you ever BEEN to a casino poker room in the past decade? My god, Biloxi is uncapped (or was the last time I was there). Golden Nugget in Las Vegas is uncapped. While most won't sit down with more than a grand, there have been stacks that would mock the $9K show from time to time.

A player that sits down with no notion of the term 'effective stacks' has no real business sitting down. It does not matter if someone has a few thousand in front of them. If I am in for $300, then that is ALL I can play for and I adjust my play accordingly...

$25-40 pre-flop is not unusual in casino poker rooms...is it the norm? No, but certainly not uncommon. Hell, you go to NOLA and you are apt to see $15 PF be nothing more than a pot sweetener with eight to the flop. I have also seen the same thing at the Aria and other Vegas rooms even during non-WSOP season...

The simple reality is that few people want to nit it up.
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:51 PM   #1012
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I don't think you see the problem

this "legal room" is open 24 hrs per day - so you get there and you are facing 1k+ stacks (5 or more) - so if you lose a big hand..you cant bet them off hands...there are generally 2-4 1/3 games ..all except one will be hyper aggressive -$25-40 preflop on almost every hand - so we are not talking about a "real" 1/3 game here...

80% of the players are game runners / dealers / game room owners and semi pros - the few recreational players are getting killed but now the sharks are feeding off each other because of this new cap RE BUY - i dont mind a $500 cap or up to X% of big stack

I have seen as much as 9k stacks commonly
I was specifically replying to the suggestion of having multiple buy-in levels for the same game at the same location. I have seen this attempted at a real live casino recently and seen it fail. I don't see this being a viable solution for the long term. Also, it doesn't really solve or address the issue you mention above of coming into a table that has a big stack or stacks of $1K or more. If that table started as a $300 max buy in, then it still would be for new players. Unless that's only the max buy in at the start of the table and is different for new players coming in later. Which might even be more confusing and create more arguments.

I live in Austin and don't play down in Houston. However, the scenarios you mention of pre-flop action can be found in Austin as well and is no different from any of the casinos I played at regularly in DC area or elsewhere. And they have the same issues. The casinos are all open 24 hrs and its not uncommon to start your session at a table that has been open for hours (or even days) and have several very large stacks at the table. The big difference is the size of the rooms. At Maryland Live and MGM National Harbor, they have multiple tables of each various games running, almost all the time. Thus you have more options of tables to play at. If you are at a table with a lot of big stacks that you don't want to play against, you can easily get moved to another table.

I haven't played at any casino that has no max buy in for lower stakes games (i.e. 1/2, 1/3, 2/5). But I understand that there are some. Even most 5/10 games have a max. It's not until you usually get to 10/25 that its uncapped. (This is for NL.)

Also, I don't know of any casinos that I have played in that allow you to match the big stack or a % of big stack. It's always just whatever the max buy in posted is. This may be due to each individual states gaming commissions rules. I do know a lot of home games I used to play in around DC that had this rule, but again no casinos.

It seems it would be better if there were less rooms, but bigger rooms. This would allow for better game and table selection.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:32 PM   #1013
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oddly with all the games in houston....you are correct...i have not been active in casinos for almost 2 decades - every game in houston pretty much is a no cap game - so I guess it is more of a regional thing here

I prefer big stack games - NLH i like 200-400 BB start and PLO 1-2K bb start
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Old Yesterday, 10:23 AM   #1014
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this is my own opinion so take it as you wish

The cracks are appearing - the "discount wars" have started

Babaloo in Katy (a former partner in post oak and according to one source "We will be the new Prime) - has reduced their "post oak prices" to $10 hourly on Tue and Thur

Post oak now has no time charge from opening (11am - 1pm) obviously designed for the lunch crowd but who pays a $15 door and a valet charge (most people don't walk in houston) to play for 2 hrs then leave. Nice to offer an early free time but frankly this is hardly a time of the day most will be playing poker

The use of Poker Atlas is hurting every club EXCEPT prime - I rarely see more than 3 tables running at post oak - until night time. I have yet to see ANY games at Babaloo - Lion's club is equal to and sometimes has more tables running that post oak and prime is running at the low of 6 tables to a high of 16 tables running during peak hours.

I have asked repeatedly if this information was correct and many have told me it is.
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