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Old 03-19-2018, 03:40 PM   #701
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Re: Membership-Based Poker in Texas

Received an e-mail today from Mint Poker about the freeroll they are offering for a $10K WSOP Main Event seat plus $2K for travel expenses. Question to everyone here:

1. Based on Michael Eakman's past reputation/deeds would you trust him to pay it out if you won?

Here are the details from the e-mail they sent:



SATURDAY MAY 19 – 12 NOON

FREE MINT SWAG FOR ALL & MEMBER APPRECIATION BBQ

WIN A $12,000 2018 WORLD SERIES OF POKER MAIN EVENT PACKAGE

INCLUDES ENTRY INTO THE 2018 WORLD SERIES OF POKER MAIN EVENT AND $2,000 IN CASH FOR AIRFARE, HOTEL & MEALS

PLUS AS A BONUS – YOU’LL BE UPGRADED TO DIAMOND STATUS MEMBERSHIP AND RECEIVE COMPLIMENTARY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE REST OF 2018!

TWO WAY TO QUALIFY . . . . .

1. EARN 30 PLAYER POINTS TO QUALIFY FOR AN AUTOMATIC SEAT | 1 POINT FOR EVERY DAY YOU PLAY

2. BE ONE OF THE TOP 100 PLAYERS IN POINTS - LEADER BOARD WILL BE POSTED IN THE CLUB

*LIMITED TO ONE POINT PER 24 HOUR PERIOD - EARN POINTS THROUGH NOON ON MAY 18

Sounds like a good deal if you play there a lot. Too far for me so I've actually never been there. Thoughts from players that play at MINT?
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:58 PM   #702
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Received an e-mail today from Mint Poker about the freeroll they are offering for a $10K WSOP Main Event seat plus $2K for travel expenses. Question to everyone here:

1. Based on Michael Eakman's past reputation/deeds would you trust him to pay it out if you won?

Here are the details from the e-mail they sent:



SATURDAY MAY 19 – 12 NOON

FREE MINT SWAG FOR ALL & MEMBER APPRECIATION BBQ

WIN A $12,000 2018 WORLD SERIES OF POKER MAIN EVENT PACKAGE

INCLUDES ENTRY INTO THE 2018 WORLD SERIES OF POKER MAIN EVENT AND $2,000 IN CASH FOR AIRFARE, HOTEL & MEALS

PLUS AS A BONUS – YOU’LL BE UPGRADED TO DIAMOND STATUS MEMBERSHIP AND RECEIVE COMPLIMENTARY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE REST OF 2018!

TWO WAY TO QUALIFY . . . . .

1. EARN 30 PLAYER POINTS TO QUALIFY FOR AN AUTOMATIC SEAT | 1 POINT FOR EVERY DAY YOU PLAY

2. BE ONE OF THE TOP 100 PLAYERS IN POINTS - LEADER BOARD WILL BE POSTED IN THE CLUB

*LIMITED TO ONE POINT PER 24 HOUR PERIOD - EARN POINTS THROUGH NOON ON MAY 18

Sounds like a good deal if you play there a lot. Too far for me so I've actually never been there. Thoughts from players that play at MINT?
Circumstances are a lot different for Mint than what happened with the ME seat with Eakman. I would insure the ME seat for $100 against Mint not paying out - I think there's basically 0% chance that's an issue. So the question is, how many people do you think will qualify and play - the fewer the entries, the better the value. Mint has an awful lot of daily regs so you're probably looking at around 50-100 entrants, which imputes a value of about $150. Not exactly worth bending over backwards to qualify.
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:41 PM   #703
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I disagree (about not being worth the time). If you read the 2 qualifications you only have to play there 30 times to be guaranteed to qualify. The date of the tourney is 2 months away so that is basically 15x's per month of play to qualify. If you play that much and live near there it would be worth it to go for the free roll. I would take my shot to beat 50-100 players(half of which would probably have no shot in the tourney to win a free Main Event seat and $2k). It's not a bad promotion if he actually pays out.

They are also probably trying to hurt Freerolls which will probably be their biggest competition. It is scheduled to open in April and offering a new model as far as payment(daily flat fee as opposed to time charge). If they get their regs tied up in trying to qualify for their promotion that would probably hurt Freerolls. So Eakman is basically offering a free roll to hurt Freerolls. Say that 3x's fast!
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:02 PM   #704
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keep in mind eakman has a long list of cheating people out of these events - the whole thread was started with this happening and it did not stop there with all the charges against him online reported...
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:05 PM   #705
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Circumstances are a lot different for Mint than what happened with the ME seat with Eakman. I would insure the ME seat for $100 against Mint not paying out - I think there's basically 0% chance that's an issue. So the question is, how many people do you think will qualify and play - the fewer the entries, the better the value. Mint has an awful lot of daily regs so you're probably looking at around 50-100 entrants, which imputes a value of about $150. Not exactly worth bending over backwards to qualify.
Here's what you have to look at. If you don't have a monthly membership there, you would have to pay $10/day for 30 days = $300, then play cash and pay $10/hr. So let's say you play an average of 2 hours a day x 30 = $600 for a total of $900 for those 30 days plus whatever you tip. So let's just say you tip a total of $100 for those 30 days which a very low number, now your total is at $1,000. Plus factor in your drive time and gas for those 30 days. Why not just play a $1000 tourney with 12 people, winner take all and have a 1/12 shot instead of going against 50-100 people! Makes more sense to me. Just saying lol
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:37 PM   #706
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Circumstances are a lot different for Mint than what happened with the ME seat with Eakman. I would insure the ME seat for $100 against Mint not paying out - I think there's basically 0% chance that's an issue. So the question is, how many people do you think will qualify and play - the fewer the entries, the better the value. Mint has an awful lot of daily regs so you're probably looking at around 50-100 entrants, which imputes a value of about $150. Not exactly worth bending over backwards to qualify.
I've played at Post Oak, Prime, Lions, and Mint. The BIGGEST difference I saw players at Mint NEVER have to pull cash out of their pocket to pay for the seat rental or for tips! Which is great as a player, but at the same time, it's a way for some players to "go south" with chips.
1. Because they allow it, essentially, if I buy in for $300 and win a $1000 pot for example, I can take $300 off my stack, go to the cage and get $100 of tip chips and $200 of time chips (which NO ONE can ever win from me) and now I'm free rolling on the game!
2. If it's a 10 handed game and each player paid their tip chips and time chips with the cash chips, and let's say each player tipped $5 each for 1 hour of play, that means on average, $150 per hour comes off the table that you or any other player can NEVER win! So if that's not a "rake", then I don't what is! Lol.

All the other places won't allow that so I have to constantly pull out cash to pay for time cards.

Wanna think about something crazy?!? Mint is celebrating their 1 year anniversary in May meaning they've been open 10 months so let's do the math on a conservative level. Let's just say they averaged 3 tables for 3 hours each day which we know is more like double that, but again we want to be conservative. That means in 304 days Mike has raked errrr made $273,600 that came off the table and NO ONE can EVER win!! And that's just the time chips!! And THAT'S ONLY 3 TABLES AT 3 HOURS A DAY!! MIND BLOWING!!
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Old 03-20-2018, 01:22 AM   #707
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I disagree (about not being worth the time). If you read the 2 qualifications you only have to play there 30 times to be guaranteed to qualify. The date of the tourney is 2 months away so that is basically 15x's per month of play to qualify. If you play that much and live near there it would be worth it to go for the free roll. I would take my shot to beat 50-100 players(half of which would probably have no shot in the tourney to win a free Main Event seat and $2k). It's not a bad promotion if he actually pays out.
Yeah I mean it's definitely a perfectly fine promotion. My experience in freerolls makes me think they're probably going to be like hyper turbos so I don't really assign any value to the skill edge in the freeroll itself.

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keep in mind eakman has a long list of cheating people out of these events - the whole thread was started with this happening and it did not stop there with all the charges against him online reported...
I'm 100% serious when I say I'll insure the seat for $100. Eakman isn't self-destructively stupid. When people in poker end up short on their obligations, it's rarely because they intended to scam outright. It's because they manage their money poorly/gambling addiction and don't have a way to easily recuperate lost funds. Mint makes more than enough to cover the seat in one weekend.

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Here's what you have to look at. If you don't have a monthly membership there, you would have to pay $10/day for 30 days = $300, then play cash and pay $10/hr. So let's say you play an average of 2 hours a day x 30 = $600 for a total of $900 for those 30 days plus whatever you tip. So let's just say you tip a total of $100 for those 30 days which a very low number, now your total is at $1,000. Plus factor in your drive time and gas for those 30 days. Why not just play a $1000 tourney with 12 people, winner take all and have a 1/12 shot instead of going against 50-100 people! Makes more sense to me. Just saying lol
I mean yeah, the point is if you were going to be playing there anyway, the promotion would be an incentive to maybe put in a few extra days.

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I've played at Post Oak, Prime, Lions, and Mint. The BIGGEST difference I saw players at Mint NEVER have to pull cash out of their pocket to pay for the seat rental or for tips! Which is great as a player, but at the same time, it's a way for some players to "go south" with chips.
1. Because they allow it, essentially, if I buy in for $300 and win a $1000 pot for example, I can take $300 off my stack, go to the cage and get $100 of tip chips and $200 of time chips (which NO ONE can ever win from me) and now I'm free rolling on the game!
2. If it's a 10 handed game and each player paid their tip chips and time chips with the cash chips, and let's say each player tipped $5 each for 1 hour of play, that means on average, $150 per hour comes off the table that you or any other player can NEVER win! So if that's not a "rake", then I don't what is! Lol.

All the other places won't allow that so I have to constantly pull out cash to pay for time cards.

Wanna think about something crazy?!? Mint is celebrating their 1 year anniversary in May meaning they've been open 10 months so let's do the math on a conservative level. Let's just say they averaged 3 tables for 3 hours each day which we know is more like double that, but again we want to be conservative. That means in 304 days Mike has raked errrr made $273,600 that came off the table and NO ONE can EVER win!! And that's just the time chips!! And THAT'S ONLY 3 TABLES AT 3 HOURS A DAY!! MIND BLOWING!!
I had a guy try to buy $20 in tip chips literally in the middle of deciding what to do vs a river jam. I had the floor called to make it stay in has stack until the hand was completed. Not because I actually cared, but because I was bluffing and it seemed liked a good opportunity to feign concern for what my opponent's stack size was.

I don't think this is really as big of a deal as you think it is. There are certain regulars at Mint who are always playing scared money and are certainly huge losers in the game. They consistently hit and run/rathole every time they win a major pot. Frankly I wish they'd let these fish go south with their stack if it meant they wouldn't cash out the instant they double up.

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Old 03-20-2018, 06:43 AM   #708
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Also got a text today saying Legion is reducing their hourly to $10/hr or $40/day which is a huge improvement and exciting for people looking to play in north Houston.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:21 AM   #709
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I've played at Post Oak, Prime, Lions, and Mint. The BIGGEST difference I saw players at Mint NEVER have to pull cash out of their pocket to pay for the seat rental or for tips! Which is great as a player, but at the same time, it's a way for some players to "go south" with chips.
1. Because they allow it, essentially, if I buy in for $300 and win a $1000 pot for example, I can take $300 off my stack, go to the cage and get $100 of tip chips and $200 of time chips (which NO ONE can ever win from me) and now I'm free rolling on the game!
2. If it's a 10 handed game and each player paid their tip chips and time chips with the cash chips, and let's say each player tipped $5 each for 1 hour of play, that means on average, $150 per hour comes off the table that you or any other player can NEVER win! So if that's not a "rake", then I don't what is! Lol.

All the other places won't allow that so I have to constantly pull out cash to pay for time cards.

Wanna think about something crazy?!? Mint is celebrating their 1 year anniversary in May meaning they've been open 10 months so let's do the math on a conservative level. Let's just say they averaged 3 tables for 3 hours each day which we know is more like double that, but again we want to be conservative. That means in 304 days Mike has raked errrr made $273,600 that came off the table and NO ONE can EVER win!! And that's just the time chips!! And THAT'S ONLY 3 TABLES AT 3 HOURS A DAY!! MIND BLOWING!!
This is a great post and spot on. One of the great things about playing at Post Oak (and Prime) is that all the money stays on the table. The stacks get deep and many of these players have no idea about how to protect their stacks.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:33 PM   #710
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Also got a text today saying Legion is reducing their hourly to $10/hr or $40/day which is a huge improvement and exciting for people looking to play in north Houston.
Have they completely shifted operations to the new location? Heading north last night around 8P, I saw no vehicles in the lot at the old location (just north of 2920 off the feeder road).
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Have they completely shifted operations to the new location? Heading north last night around 8P, I saw no vehicles in the lot at the old location (just north of 2920 off the feeder road).
The last time I went (a couple weeks ago) they were running both. I'm not sure if that's changed.
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:19 AM   #712
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Also got a text today saying Legion is reducing their hourly to $10/hr or $40/day which is a huge improvement and exciting for people looking to play in north Houston.
Looks like they're trying to do what Freerolls is doing. Which I agree would be great for players cuz at Post Oak for example, you pay $15 for your daily membership fee, then they require you to buy at least 4 time cards which is $30, for a total of $45 for 2hrs of cash play. And sometimes less if you sit down between X:00-X:14! That's already $5 more than what Legion is doing and you can play all day! I normally average 5-8hrs when I go play at Post Oak so with the daily fee, I average paying out of pocket $90-$135 every time I go play there! That's why I'm hoping Freerolls has decent action when they open because it would save me a **** load on time card fees even tho it's an extra 30 minutes of driving for me, it's worth the savings! At least for me. Some people with $$$$ to burn don't give a ****! lol
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Looks like they're trying to do what Freerolls is doing. Which I agree would be great for players cuz at Post Oak for example, you pay $15 for your daily membership fee, then they require you to buy at least 4 time cards which is $30, for a total of $45 for 2hrs of cash play. And sometimes less if you sit down between X:00-X:14! That's already $5 more than what Legion is doing and you can play all day! I normally average 5-8hrs when I go play at Post Oak so with the daily fee, I average paying out of pocket $90-$135 every time I go play there! That's why I'm hoping Freerolls has decent action when they open because it would save me a **** load on time card fees even tho it's an extra 30 minutes of driving for me, it's worth the savings! At least for me. Some people with $$$$ to burn don't give a ****! lol
Yeah unfortunately the action players don't really care about this kind of thing. The major San Antonio room is $5 daily + $8 an hour so paying $15/hr at POPC always hurts even though the action is bat**** crazy.
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Old 03-21-2018, 06:23 PM   #714
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I like that there’s no seat charge for tourney’s at Freerolls. Play the tourney and don’t have to come out of pocket again for cash. There does seem to be a lot of people that just want to play a tourney so that might keep them away.
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Prime's pulling out all the stops for Friday - no entry fee if you get there before 7, free drinks, bring a friend and after 1 hour of play you each get $25 and after two hours of play you get a free dinner as well.

FB Page says ESPN will be there again Friday and "Stay tuned for more details about celebrities, bounties, and giveaways."

Isn't competition great for the players!
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Old 03-22-2018, 01:32 AM   #716
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I like that there’s no seat charge for tourney’s at Freerolls. Play the tourney and don’t have to come out of pocket again for cash. There does seem to be a lot of people that just want to play a tourney so that might keep them away.
Not really because you go to most places you pay a daily fee of $10, $20 tourney fee and $10 dealer special = $40 still. And like you said, HUGE plus for when you wanna play before or after the tourney. Some days at places, tourney fee is $30. Any way you try to spin it, freerolls is the best bang for your buck. At least mathematically
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Prime's pulling out all the stops for Friday - no entry fee if you get there before 7, free drinks, bring a friend and after 1 hour of play you each get $25 and after two hours of play you get a free dinner as well.

FB Page says ESPN will be there again Friday and "Stay tuned for more details about celebrities, bounties, and giveaways."

Isn't competition great for the players!
Yes it is great for players, but Prime knows they're struggling to keep players there for cash so they're trying to out spend everyone with all these promos and will only put them further in the hole! But anyone who's been around poker long enough can see the writing on the wall when places started doing bonuses and "get this if you do this" kind of stuff. You don't see places like Lions doing daily promos to get people in there. They just have the wsop promo and that's it. I've already seen some of these places doing things like if you're the first 5 players, "no daily fee and no seat rental for the first 2hrs"! That means they're struggling just to get off 1 table! Inside the Beltway Loop is just too saturated already! People think they can just open up and make money! I don't understand how people can go play a $0.50-$1.00 game and pay seat rental! You would have to felt the whole table just to recoup your daily fee and seat rentals! Lol!
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:31 AM   #718
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Re: the gossip: - Their original lease was through May 2018. The landlord extended it through December (primarily due to the construction and he couldn't get anything from the property during that time). I've heard two "rumors" re: what they will do next. One said they already have a spot picked out in the same area and they will build out and have a seamless transition (open at current location one day and the new location will open the very next day so there won't be any days lost). 2nd rumor seems far fetched since they have a great base of players in their current location but it said they were going to open in a new location that was a bit farther away on outskirts of Houston due to lower rent. All gossip at this point but #1 came from a dealer who said Bill H. called a meeting and told them that. #2 came from a player who said he had a good source.

Re: the games - they are incredible. I think through advertising and word of mouth more players are coming into the games that are recreational and don't have much cash game experience. Yesterday a player told me in the 1/3 holdem game he was playing in players were calling huge preflop raises with 83/94 suited etc. (and hitting LOL). One Asian gentleman who I had never seen was in $7K at that table. This is in a 1/3 NL game

It's the golden time in Htown for players right now. Any decent player should be playing as much as possible. When I miss a day I feel like I just left 4 figures on the ground. PLO games are off the chains with people calling several thousand dollar pots with small flushes and bottom 2 pair. Have seen a lot of people in those games I've never seen before and numerous people losing and winning five figures at Post Oak in the 5/5 PLO. Every day I see myself or hear from other players stories of people losing large stacks with horribad calls where they are drawing dead which is hard to do in Omaha.
Been in Houston for about 4 years, and have played/play at 10+ Underground games over that time as well as dealt at a few, and understand underground game economics etc. from time spent in florida and Tennessee during college and grad school dealing and donking.

Def not a lawyer, and along with the average person walking into the doors of these establishments with their money, I can say they don't care about the legality/politics. Calling a spade a spade POPC is solid, nothing spectacular, nothing too terrible (crazy lady TD is pretty janky but oh well). It seems safe to the rec players/avg joes, and the action is there for multiple poker demographics (gamblers/nits/donkeys/you name it). I personally think being first is the biggest advantage POPC has because the rest of the rooms have the same dealers/dealer quality, same prices, similar tourney structures. I like Lions/Prime guarantee along with better blind structures, POPC going to 10 min blinds is terribad for any knowledgable player but the avg joe doesn't care.

Underground games far enough out of the loop, that are sticking to their guns and player pool are not having any problem, social media/advertising to a less knowledgable recreational player pool would be worth hundreds of thousands to these businesses, too bad they probably won't pay the marketer to do so...

I concur, its great time for poker in Houston right now, we just have to fight to keep blinds 15+ for these tourneys or else the "seat fee" becomes unbearable.
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Hey guys visiting Austin in 2 weeks what’s the best room to play in atm?
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:50 PM   #720
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Hey guys visiting Austin in 2 weeks what’s the best room to play in atm?
I've only played at Texas Card House. But it's top notch. Well ran. Lots of players, great action.
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nice guess thats my best bet
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:30 PM   #722
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Have they completely shifted operations to the new location? Heading north last night around 8P, I saw no vehicles in the lot at the old location (just north of 2920 off the feeder road).
Still running both places... The 2920 location is having more games though.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:57 PM   #723
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New spot has opened up in San Antonio - right near my home so I suspect I will be a frequent visitor. Rounders Card Club, as a private, members only club. You can find them on a .com or on Facebook under the name noted for details if interested. I have seen 1-2 and 1-3 games running plus daily tournaments. They are also located on Poker Atlas app. They have been open just under 1 full week. Check it out if you are in San Antonio.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:13 PM   #724
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I'm not a lawyer and I don't have any inside knowledge about how the people who own these places and their lawyers came to their conclusion about the separation of gaming chips from dealer tips and time chips. The following statement is simply my own thoughts on a logical explanation:

The relevant Texas law contains the the following section:

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:

(1) the actor engaged in gambling in a private place;

(2) no person received any economic benefit other than personal winnings; and

(3) except for the advantage of skill or luck, the risks of losing and the chances of winning were the same for all participants.

Parts one and three are pretty straightforward and these clubs should be able to meet those so Section 2 is where they must prove they should not be prosecuted. In order to do that, you can interpret section 2 as

No person received any economic benefit other than personal winnings from the gambling activity

If the gambling activity is defined as the betting of chips by the players and that gambling activity is conducted with chips that are used strictly for settling the bets between the players then no exchanges of money that don't involve the chips are an economic benefit that is derived from the gambling activity.

Now we can argue forever here about whether or not a judge would accept such a rationale in a trial but it's strictly hot air unless and until one of these clubs is ordered to close and decides to fight it in court. However, I can say one thing for sure. The Gaudio case that is constantly dragged into the discussion by HTwn does NOT preclude such an argument.
I'm also not a lawyer, but let me see if I can also offer an example of what it could mean if you insisted the operator of these clubs "received economic benefit". If that were the case, you also need to prosecute Papa Johns, because my private poker group, that meets at my home, always orders pizza from Papa Johns. Therefore, Papa Johns has received economic benefit from our private poker game.

So, if you aren't ready to go after Papa Johns for this prosecution, I don't see a logic which actually fits for the prosecution of the operator. Its just not rational or reasonable.
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Hey guys visiting Austin in 2 weeks what’s the best room to play in atm?
Check out Texas Card House.
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