Just a quick warning about (at least) the Bodog 20/40 and 30/60 games. The following are bots...

Apol1983 (Philippines)
hothandjules (Philippines)
Lory123 (Philippines)
cityofgod (North Hills, CA)

Note: I put the location b/c when there are bots on a site there are always "more" and they are generally from locations near one another.

I've only looked at the games briefly but I imagine the list will grow. Anyway, if anyone actually plays there and wants some more specific information feel free to PM me.

real dumb to post, idk if you did the last one but they all left full tilt due to the post and no one got any money back, i hope you aren't the same one that made that mistake

Johnny, do you really think the bots just hoard money in their accts? Do you think the bot syndicate cares at all if anyone posts anything on 2+2? Do you really think they "left" FT?

If you answered yes to any of these questions you don't have a clue about anything that goes on with these bots. Trust me when I say these bots/bot owners work much differently than you think.

Also, saying noone got (will get) any money back b/c of that post is comical.

Further, if you think getting bots shut down at Bodog will be the same as getting them shut down at FT/Cereus/Stars then you're sadly mistaken.

effin bots! die, bots, die!

i answered yes to every one, i understand they don't hoard money in their accounts but you essentially make it so the little they keep on no one has a chance of getting back, it's just silly

You don't understand Johnny. Bots don't cash out because they think they might get caught. That's not how it works.

why dont you tell us how it works?

I knew it!! Before I retired from poker, these guys consistently destroyed me. I want a refund!!!!!!

gravelgod

How is what you're doing more effective than word of mouth? It's a small community.

Ok, gravelgod and me are both major regs on this site - cityofgod/apol/hothandjules are good at hu but are terrible at 6 max. lory is an abortion in all games. if they are bots that makes me laugh thinking that they are barely turning profits lolol

The thing about bots is, they are made by those of us that have gone to the Dark side.

Similar to those who are at first against drugs, then we try them a little and think 'hey these aren't so bad' they're not really hurting anyone...

Next thing you know, BOOM BOOM POW

Who really knows who is a bot these days...

The end is nigh, and I'm serious. Online poker is doomed by design.

JT

So you're saying a 2+2 luker who doesn't have any "friends" in the 2+2 community doesn't deserve to know he's playing against bots?

cityofgod - +$73k
Apol1983 - +72k
hothandjules - +2k
Lory123 - -$15k

Not sure what's LOL when these guys are essentially taking money directly out of your pocket.

i wonder how many bb's/100 edge a bot has over any human in tilt avoidance. the fact that every bet on every street is thought through and made correctly according to their algorithms has to be some fraction of a bet per hundred advantage. we can't help but miss some bets or folds based on multitabling, forgetting the action, emotions, etc.

i've heard many times from good players that they don't mind the bots because they win money off them. the problem is, the bots can be at the tables 24/7, and for the other 20 hrs/day you're not playing them, someone worse than you is, and probably losing. they could have lost that money to you, maybe weeks down the road, but their bankroll took a hit and now they're playing 5/10.

Forgive my ignorance on such matters, but on what do you base your conclusions? Seems like pretty significant allegations to be tossing around.

gravelgod

As I said in my original post, you can PM me. I'll probably only respond to people I'm at least familiar with just to avoid giving information to those who I don't want to have it.

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Yea good point. Can you PM me your evidence plz?

So you're saying the fish who doesn't read 2p2 or have friends in the community doesn't deserve to know he's playing against bots? FWIW, I'd guess the "no friends in the community 2p2 lurker" midstakes online percentage is under 5% of the player pool.

Anyway what you're doing doesn't hurt the botters much if it does at all. Letting good players know about bots just allows them to "game select" and grind down the fish more.

Wow.

A ton of cereus network bots got shut down like 2 months ago, and since then the games have gotten much worse.

Reason, was these bots would give unlimited action to the props, and the fish would then jump in these games...

Now , few people will play the props and games rarely start

Bots can provide some good too... They were BE 6-max players and didnt mind them at all once it got 3-handed

Apol1983: gg
farmslicer7: gg

these are the first words he's ever said to me, fwiw. And I agree with Heisenb3rg. These bots (if that is what they are - no evidence has been put forward) start a lot of games and tend to be very exploitable 3 handed+

Completely understand. The same thing happened on WSEX way back when.

It's just a slippery slope you're on when you say they "...provide some good too". How good do the bots have to be where they are worth starting games? Is it worth them sitting around 24/7 and taking money from fish? What if there are games where there are 2 bots...3,4 bots?

I think the same thing every time you post one of these threads.

I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't tell players. I'm saying that you can do it in a way that will let basically the same number of players know and not have any of the negative effects of putting the information out in the public domain.

What negative effects are you refering to?