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05-20-2010 , 11:35 PM

#26

iJack

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I don't play good enough to ever fold this. Easy call

05-21-2010 , 12:11 AM

#27

MitchL

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aiyaah! is def appropriate. I dont fold, but this is one of these spots where I really really want to.

05-21-2010 , 12:29 AM

#28

lolmitHE

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this doesn't add up to me at all. what's the worst hand you'd cap on the turn?

05-21-2010 , 02:38 AM

#29

danzasmack

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Hey Chris,

Nice hand! Pretty sick spot overall but in the end I'd call, and it's for a few reasons.

1) The pot is big. I love the money so if I win I'm probably buying a few rounds for all the dealers and then things can get crazy.

2) Whenever I go to play live poker, I usually bring some sort of small animal or if it's winter maybe even a baby along so I have something to whip against the wall as hard as possible. Sick river spot? Pay it off an whip it.

3) Whip it good.

/thread

But seriously I typically fold in this spot. If I'm shown a bluff I go home.

05-21-2010 , 04:15 AM

#30

DpR

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Also, if you fold and are shown a bluff, you probably would have to hear about it for the next few months........anti tilt/life tilt/future abuse equity is enough equity.

05-21-2010 , 04:21 AM

#31

OnTheRail15

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I would never ever show this bluff if I pulled it off.

Last edited by OnTheRail15; 05-21-2010 at 04:37 AM. Reason: Torture.

05-21-2010 , 10:28 AM

#32

Psychobingo

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I never ever ever fold this. 20-1 that he has 78/J8/KJdd? I`ll take it.

05-21-2010 , 02:51 PM

#33

OnTheRail15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Psychobingo

I never ever ever fold this. 20-1 that he has 78/J8/KJdd? I`ll take it.

That's fine. I probably never fold, But I would be kinda surprised if we're good 1/20

05-21-2010 , 09:03 PM

#34

Psychobingo

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Yeah well. Its 20-1 dawg. Its late in the morning. Somebody cant just have a worse value hand and think **** it, ima get this one extra bet in there? You all might be right that this is a trivial fold, but im not willing to make it. I mean, if we fold top set then what are we paying off with?

05-21-2010 , 09:38 PM

#35

JDalla

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When ur opponent flips up his AA and the board is AA553 do we also need a paying off range for balance?

05-21-2010 , 09:38 PM

#36

MitchL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Psychobingo

I mean, if we fold top set then what are we paying off with?

Why do we have to pay off with anything, assuming for the sake of argument that this is a trivial fold?

05-22-2010 , 12:51 AM

#37

stinkypete

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchL

Why do we have to pay off with anything, assuming for the sake of argument that this is a trivial fold?

you don't have to pay off the first time, but if you start folding the river to checkraises with an obviously very strong but obviously non-nut hand with any sort of regularity you'll become super exploitable

05-22-2010 , 05:22 AM

#38

Psychobingo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JDalla

When ur opponent flips up his AA and the board is AA553 do we also need a paying off range for balance?

This is just a silly example. What i mean is if we`re folding hands as strong as QQ to this river action (although it looks super strong from villain), then we can become super exploitable as stinkypete points out. We need SOME hands in our bet-calling range, and this is as good as it gets. I assume either of you want to fold straights if we happened to be the guy holding 78dd in this spot.

05-22-2010 , 05:28 AM

#39

NinaWilliams

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

I would never ever show this bluff if I pulled it off.

omg if i ever showed a bluff this would be the spot. It would be extra sweet if it was against you and you would be reminded daily.

BTW remember when I pwned you at bellagio?

05-22-2010 , 06:11 AM

#40

gameoverjc

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the sickest thing is the better the player is and the bigger the pot is the less likely they are to try something this sick on the river. however when the pot is smaller and we aren't getting the right pot odds they are more likely to do a move like this to blow us off our hand (assume we don't have top of our range every time), so it's kind of a catch 22 - the bigger the pot gets the bigger our pot odds get to call, yet the lesser the chance the villain is bluffing here (assuming he can think).

anyway, long story short jdalla has the best comment on this thread so he winz.

05-22-2010 , 06:42 AM

#41

Chris Daddy Cool

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suppose that i did fold in this spot, if you are the bb and you were bluffing would that make you more or less likely to try to bluffraise rivers in the future vs me? or is it a once in a lifetime, "whew i'm glad i got away with that one, let's not try that one again." if i folded and you were the bb and had the straight, would you be more or less likely to try to bluffraise me in the future noticing i like to laydown in huge pots?

i don't think i'd ever show a bluff in this spot, though i'd be willing to show the KJdd in case i did have some bluffs brewing in my mind for the future.

05-22-2010 , 11:32 AM

#42

Heisenb3rg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Daddy Cool

You could have just been going mental with like AA in his mind. Just dont show your QQ

05-23-2010 , 04:53 PM

#43

sex

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post results

05-24-2010 , 06:38 AM

#44

Ruudolf

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Never fold, easy call

05-24-2010 , 08:31 AM

#45

SIThomer

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please post result

05-24-2010 , 01:24 PM

#46

The DaveR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Daddy Cool

I think you're a bigger bluff-target than most.

05-24-2010 , 03:39 PM

#47

BK1248

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i just saw a similar scenario at commerce full ring 2-4:

flop was A 8 9r all late position activity.

kid bet, TC c/r sb and bigbob called 2 cold in BB and kid 3 bet both.

Turn was A, chk chk bet, fold call.

river was Q, chk bet, CR and fold. he folded an Ace (showed it)

obv bobby repping J10, but he had the other OESD 10-7.

Most you guys would know who the kid is, but i didnt name him because i didnt want to throw him under the bus or whatever.

05-24-2010 , 07:32 PM

#48

DeathDonkey

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Please be howmany, please be howmany!

05-24-2010 , 08:04 PM

#49

makesevenac

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Disgusting River. Really not too much you can do here besides call. Folding is terribad, as is 3betting.

Check Call the river and fist pump when he turns over 66.

05-25-2010 , 01:44 AM

#50

mike l.

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why would you even consider calling? if you cant make folds like these in live games with your eyes closed then why play live, it's the whole beauty of it.

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