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02-16-2010 , 05:25 PM

pokerjeebus

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 581

Haven't played LHE in a while. Villain plays very straight forward vs me from what I've seen in the past, nothing too unusual.

Criticisms?? other than c/r the flop, bet turn, c/eval river if missed I guess.

$100/$200 Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 540453
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP1 with A

2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (4.75 BB) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds

02-16-2010 , 05:38 PM

pgcounty

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c/r the flop and start firing

02-16-2010 , 06:20 PM

OnTheRail15

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Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgcounty

c/r the flop and start firing

Why?

02-16-2010 , 06:27 PM

Schneids

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Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,412

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgcounty

c/r the flop and start firing

I'd like a flop checkraise 100x more with KdJd than AdQd.

As played I think it's fine. River from best to worst would be:

c/f, b/f, c/c.

02-16-2010 , 07:01 PM

pokerjeebus

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 581

I agree that I like a c/r with KJdd way more than AQdd. Schneids if AQdd isn't a c/r on the flop is ATdd?

I suppose the question of whether or not to c/r the flop depends on how many 78 type hands we have from mp?

02-16-2010 , 09:58 PM

BigBadBabar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

Why?

02-17-2010 , 12:22 AM

deepsquat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneids

I'd like a flop checkraise 100x more with KdJd than AdQd.

As played I think it's fine. River from best to worst would be:

c/f, b/f, c/c.

Why do you like b/f better than c/c?

Is it a vbet with AQ?

Hand is weird, seems like villain has to have Jx or nothing here. Not sure what he would check on the turn and bet riv with that isnt Jx. Dont know if that makes it more of a fold or not...

Cheers

02-17-2010 , 01:19 AM

pokerjeebus

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 581

The bet is a bluff right? To make him fold AK and maybe something like 55? Although I feel like we very rarely get raised in this spot so if we get raised on the river I would be more comfortable calling than c/c'ing. That is probably a personal read thing though I don't have stats but villain isn't really one to 3bet QT here and won't raise KJ on the river.

02-17-2010 , 06:22 AM

Psychobingo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deepsquat

+1, i want to know also.

02-17-2010 , 07:22 AM

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deepsquat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerjeebus

checking 55 on this turn sucks imo

02-17-2010 , 02:29 PM

#11

pokerjeebus

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Yes i agree checking 55 on this turn sucks and i don't think villain would do that. But i couldn't think of any other hand that might check on the turn that we may be able to bluff off on the river. Betting to get exactly one hand (AK) to fold seems kind of pointless.

Unless i'm missing something, AQ as a vbet seems ridiculously thin since the only hand we beat that could potentially call us is AT, and i think AT fires the turn the majority of the time with overs+gutshot.

02-18-2010 , 02:14 AM

#12

JDalla

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b/f is pretty much precisely to fold out AK/AQ. In the event he can have and bluff with hands like KQ and AT it also lets you win the pot.

C/F is the standard line though imo

03-15-2010 , 01:45 PM

#13

formula72

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pgcounty

c/r the flop and start firing

You have a better chance of folding out AK, AQ by betting the river than c/raising flop and firing to the finish line. So save those precious bets and gain double the bets when you do hit your flush.

03-16-2010 , 02:49 PM

#14

RudeboyOi

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Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,119

if CO open and hero defended this hand in the bb, would you be more inclined to c/r the flop? for straight up value plus implied FE if a 57T came on the turn? i dont see much value in letting him barrel away since i just see him betting the turn and checking back the river if we c/c the flop.

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