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Old 05-06-2005, 02:34 AM   #176
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:46 AM   #177
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:50 AM   #178
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James

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Actually my minor contribution...I'm a 2bb/100 winner with a 26ish vpip. I've got a pretty large sample size (much more since my post in General on the matter). I deviate from the 22er strategy about 10% of the time, sometime to satiate the gambler in me sometimes because I think my reads are better then others. Just food for thought.

(or i totally suck and am running well)
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:51 AM   #179
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You're having a great run of comedy. I'm awarding you OTTer of the week.

But the last thing we need is the pwned brats harrassing real poker players.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:56 AM   #180
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But the last thing we need is the pwned brats harrassing real poker players.
i dont care, im still laughing funniest one yet.

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Old 05-06-2005, 03:05 AM   #181
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James

OOT Rooolz!


Actually my minor contribution...I'm a 2bb/100 winner with a 26ish vpip. I've got a pretty large sample size (much more since my post in General on the matter). I deviate from the 22er strategy about 10% of the time, sometime to satiate the gambler in me sometimes because I think my reads are better then others. Just food for thought.

(or i totally suck and am running well)
You have that VPIP in the 30 60 on Party? If so, how many hands are we talking here? I'll assume you are talking 15/30, which is an entirely different beast altogether.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:10 AM   #182
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I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James

OOT Rooolz!


Actually my minor contribution...I'm a 2bb/100 winner with a 26ish vpip. I've got a pretty large sample size (much more since my post in General on the matter). I deviate from the 22er strategy about 10% of the time, sometime to satiate the gambler in me sometimes because I think my reads are better then others. Just food for thought.

(or i totally suck and am running well)
You have that VPIP in the 30 60 on Party? If so, how many hands are we talking here? I'll assume you are talking 15/30, which is an entirely different beast altogether.
-James
you need to stop posting in this thread like i need to go to sleep.

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Old 05-06-2005, 03:12 AM   #183
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James
Probably Jessica Biel.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:36 AM   #184
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James
James 282 has always been one of my favorite posters, but lately, he's really on his game.

That is all. Back to my lurking.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:48 AM   #185
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So am I the only one who actually wants to do this prop bet? Something like "whoever has the highest VP$IP and still maintains a break-even or better winrate over X hands wins" or something? It'd make for some absolutely incredible hand history posts. If it's done at a level I can afford, hell I'd do it weekly.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:48 AM   #186
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Yes. His Andrew Prock Rebuttal was perfect. I better not find out he's proofreading his posts.
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Old 05-06-2005, 04:44 AM   #187
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Nothing beats a good JV thread with legs.



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Old 05-06-2005, 08:35 AM   #188
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This would make a GREAT proposition bet btw
I think a great prop bet about VPIP would be to see who could have the highest VPIP and win the most in whatever limit over whatever ammount.

Anyways, I find this entire thread hilarious. Keep it up well respected mid-high posters! I'm having a blast watching you all get your panties in a bunch.
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone spend time on this forum discussing something poker related instead of posting PWNED! pictures and offering thousands of replies over which unattainable celebrity we'd prefer to bang.
-James

OOT Rooolz!


Actually my minor contribution...I'm a 2bb/100 winner with a 26ish vpip. I've got a pretty large sample size (much more since my post in General on the matter). I deviate from the 22er strategy about 10% of the time, sometime to satiate the gambler in me sometimes because I think my reads are better then others. Just food for thought.

(or i totally suck and am running well)
You have that VPIP in the 30 60 on Party? If so, how many hands are we talking here? I'll assume you are talking 15/30, which is an entirely different beast altogether.
-James
I was drunk and wasnt thinking straight. 15/30.

(self imposed poker related posting ban starts...now)
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:42 AM   #189
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Yes. His Andrew Prock Rebuttal was perfect. I better not find out he's proofreading his posts.
hes not...he plays and posts and talks and answers phones and prepares dinner and drives all at the same time.

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Old 05-06-2005, 09:44 AM   #190
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:23 AM   #191
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DID SOMEONE SAY PROP BET ???

I'm in, the bet amount must be worth it !!!

I was thinking 6,000 15-30 hands, VPIP 28, most money won

lets gamble....
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:09 AM   #192
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He is not just loose and aggressive, he is also a calling station. I played a hand with him where someone raised in EP, 2 cold called and he 3 bet AJo. I capped out of the SB. I bet every street and the final board was 94259. He overcalled the river. Are you saying that this is indicative of some higher level postflop strategy of which I am not aware?
Let me ask you a very simple question. What is the EV of calling the river? You seem to think it's very low, but I'll wager that you couldn't even begin to estimate the EV of any of the plays he made.

Again, this is a fairly pedestrian hand. There were no gross errors. If this is what you dredge up as an example of "horrible" play, then I'll have to answer:

Yes, this is indicative of some higher level postflop strategy of which you are not aware.

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Old 05-06-2005, 11:10 AM   #193
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I'd already win.
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:17 AM   #194
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DID SOMEONE SAY PROP BET ???

I'm in, the bet amount must be worth it !!!

I was thinking 6,000 15-30 hands, VPIP 28, most money won

lets gamble....
There is a pretty big difference between a 28 VPIP at party 15/30 where you are exercising table selection and a 28 VPIP at party 30/60.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:14 PM   #195
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He is not just loose and aggressive, he is also a calling station. I played a hand with him where someone raised in EP, 2 cold called and he 3 bet AJo. I capped out of the SB. I bet every street and the final board was 94259. He overcalled the river. Are you saying that this is indicative of some higher level postflop strategy of which I am not aware?
Let me ask you a very simple question. What is the EV of calling the river? You seem to think it's very low, but I'll wager that you couldn't even begin to estimate the EV of any of the plays he made.

Again, this is a fairly pedestrian hand. There were no gross errors. If this is what you dredge up as an example of "horrible" play, then I'll have to answer:

Yes, this is indicative of some higher level postflop strategy of which you are not aware.

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Now that's funny. Overcalling the river has an EV of -1 big bets.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:20 PM   #196
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Now that's funny. Overcalling the river has an EV of -1 big bets.
Like I said, not even a clue how to estimate it.

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Old 05-06-2005, 12:39 PM   #197
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Now that's funny. Overcalling the river has an EV of -1 big bets.
Like I said, not even a clue how to estimate it.

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Alright Prock lets say there are some magic metagame situations (i.e. people will be scared to bluff him, though they should counter with relentless value-betting or maybe he is sooo smart to set this up for this one hand and will make it up later) there is no way that he can compensenate from giving away approximately -1 BB on his river overcall.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:49 PM   #198
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Hi Andrew, glad you contributed, seriously. Yep I agree with you that saying that it's -1 BB EV is wrong. Not saying I'm a that sophisticated of a player. What I've noted on this forum is that there is a specific lack of EV estimates when analyzing hands. Put another way, there's a specific lack quantitative analysis supporting why one line of play has a higher EV than an alternative line of play. It's always been that way.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:58 PM   #199
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Are there any scenarios that the overcall could be winning this hand?
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:58 PM   #200
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I estimate that it is a terrible overcall. Worth a good steak dinner at least.

5 x 4 = 20 = 10
3 x 1 = 3 = 1.5
3 x 1 = 3
2 x 1 = 2

you'll be good about 1 in 50.

16.5 BB * 1 = 16.5
-1 * 49 = -49

-32.5 / 50 = -.65 BB
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