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Old 05-12-2005, 11:03 PM   #376
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UprightCreature posted some very basic numbers which say that getting DERB's results over that stretch for a break even player is maybe a one in a million event.

How many Players play poker online? isn't it more than a million, probably in the tens of millions? Wouldn't that make an event like this not only possible, but probable, in the long run? More likely than not that eventually, someone who plays like Derb, is going to get lucky after 150k hands?
All I know is when DERB hits his inevitable downstreak, it's going to hit him 10 times as hard as it hits the regular player.
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:04 PM   #377
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UprightCreature posted some very basic numbers which say that getting DERB's results over that stretch for a break even player is maybe a one in a million event.

How many Players play poker online? isn't it more than a million, probably in the tens of millions? Wouldn't that make an event like this not only possible, but probable, in the long run? More likely than not that eventually, someone who plays like Derb, is going to get lucky after 150k hands?
Congratulations for having just 4 posts, and using one of those posts to reiterate what an arrogant jerk-off Andrew Prock is.
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:53 AM   #378
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Wow, ask a simple, unloaded, honest question, get flamed. Guess on my fourth post I got to meet the forum jackass. Never heard of Andrew Prock, If this question was already posed, I apologize, but there're tons of replies on this thread, and even though i read em all, they kind of blurred together.
 
Old 05-13-2005, 12:59 AM   #379
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Congratulations for having just 4 posts, and using one of those posts to reiterate what an arrogant jerk-off Andrew Prock is.
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Wow, ask a simple, unloaded, honest question, get flamed. Guess on my fourth post I got to meet the forum jackass. Never heard of Andrew Prock, If this question was already posed, I apologize, but there're tons of replies on this thread, and even though i read em all, they kind of blurred together.
I'm kinda drunk so I could be the guy who's wrong...(and misinterpreting your post)...but james wasn't flaming you, he was being seroius.
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Old 05-13-2005, 01:03 AM   #380
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Congratulations for having just 4 posts, and using one of those posts to reiterate what an arrogant jerk-off Andrew Prock is.
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Wow, ask a simple, unloaded, honest question, get flamed. Guess on my fourth post I got to meet the forum jackass. Never heard of Andrew Prock, If this question was already posed, I apologize, but there're tons of replies on this thread, and even though i read em all, they kind of blurred together.
I'm kinda drunk so I could be the guy who's wrong...(and misinterpreting your post)...but james wasn't flaming you, he was being seroius.
you may be drunk, but your reads are still correct.
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Old 05-13-2005, 01:22 AM   #381
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Congratulations for having just 4 posts, and using one of those posts to reiterate what an arrogant jerk-off Andrew Prock is.
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Wow, ask a simple, unloaded, honest question, get flamed. Guess on my fourth post I got to meet the forum jackass. Never heard of Andrew Prock, If this question was already posed, I apologize, but there're tons of replies on this thread, and even though i read em all, they kind of blurred together.
I'm kinda drunk so I could be the guy who's wrong...(and misinterpreting your post)...but james wasn't flaming you, he was being seroius.
you may be drunk, but your reads are still correct.
good cause i'm 4 tablin the 30 too.
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Old 05-13-2005, 02:04 PM   #382
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Wow, ask a simple, unloaded, honest question, get flamed. Guess on my fourth post I got to meet the forum jackass. Never heard of Andrew Prock, If this question was already posed, I apologize, but there're tons of replies on this thread, and even though i read em all, they kind of blurred together.
James was definitely giving you a compliment.
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Old 05-15-2005, 03:12 PM   #383
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Derb so far today:

1140 hands -9660
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Old 05-15-2005, 03:35 PM   #384
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well I tried reading most of the posts on this thread but there were too damn many... however I just started doing 30/60 tables since the new tables and have been doing well but after reading this post it seems like unusually well...i don't know all the stat stuff but would send my pokertracker info if someone wants to try to figure out how a dipsh$t like me could win large amounts in short term..

stats for 30/60 briefly are 4,628 hands..37,274.73 won.. 13.42 BB/100 hands...which would be comparable to Derbs I guess altho over much fewer hands...
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Old 05-15-2005, 10:20 PM   #385
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Yeah I just reread that, and understand it now, my bad.
 
Old 05-16-2005, 04:31 AM   #386
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Re: DERB

Is this the biggest thread 2+2 has ever had??

This has probably already been asked multiple times in this thread but at this point it's gotten way too large for me to waste precious big bets per 100 skimming through it.

And of course for this same reason no one is going to read this post and eventually someone else is destined to again ask the all important question: "Is this the biggest thread ever?"

As a corrolarry, if you are actually reading this post then you do in fact have no life whatsoever outside of poker. Which is of course precisely why I was able to make this post.

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Old 05-16-2005, 04:40 AM   #387
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I'm just sorry that so many 2+2er's are going to be too daunted by "The Thread" to take the time to see the humor in a post like this where you compare 4,628 hands to over one hundred thousand hands. Was it one hundred thousand? Well I'm not sure exactly how many it was...but it was alot!

What? You thought I actually read this gigantic thread?

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Old 05-16-2005, 04:54 AM   #388
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This thread has way too many loose posts that are taken too far, to be any good.
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Old 05-16-2005, 05:28 AM   #389
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Is this the biggest thread 2+2 has ever had??

This has probably already been asked multiple times in this thread but at this point it's gotten way too large for me to waste precious big bets per 100 skimming through it.

And of course for this same reason no one is going to read this post and eventually someone else is destined to again ask the all important question: "Is this the biggest thread ever?"

As a corrolarry, if you are actually reading this post then you do in fact have no life whatsoever outside of poker. Which is of course precisely why I was able to make this post.

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Are you kidding me?

First of all, this thread is awesome.

Second of all, this thread isnt even close to the biggest ever. Its not even the biggest currently on a first page of one of the forums (RL pics thread in OOT is way bigger).
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Old 05-16-2005, 01:17 PM   #390
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I'd love this thread to die but this was a little strange. I've never ever seen DERB speak, ever. Also, i'm not protecting the names of any players involved here, both players deserve to have their names shown so others can watch for anything strange.


me: nice cheating. [i'm referring to bitchass anti-poker for using all in protection on his tough decision]
Lojzka: [he smiles out of nowhere, he hasn't been involved in a hand recently]
me: wow, you speak lojzka?
Random player, probably 2+2: he cheats too
me: why do you think that?
Random Player, 2+2: with his buddies d=from slovenia

I don't really care for what Random Player was saying. I just thought it was very strange for DERB speak for the first time and then change tables when i accuse someone of cheating.
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Old 05-16-2005, 03:52 PM   #391
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My turn to chime in....I watched a couple hundred of his hands....Granted only those hands that go to showdown....But this is how he seems to do it -- and this is based purely nonempirical data....He is hyperagressive preflop, ie 3 betting with hands like KTs and A6s...He value bets like crazy....He slows down on the river when he may be beat....No one is willing to be aggressive against him (probably because (i) he is so aggressive preflop, and (ii) he is so aggressive postflop and is completely fearless to 3 bet a draw or an average made hand)...And, most importantly I think (and this is similar to the value bet concept), because of his looseness, nobody folds to him even when they are clearly beat. It is very easy to see how he just destroys weaktights. I firmly believe he takes advantage of the fact that most 3060ers are thoughtful players in that they know enough to know hes a little crazy -- in other words, I don't think his play would be nearly as successful at the lower limits.
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Old 05-16-2005, 05:36 PM   #392
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I agree.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:29 PM   #393
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Re: AFTER THIS POST, I\'M FINISHED WITH 2+2.

Thought this was interesting as I read this:

"Inside the Poker Mind" - pages 54-55

"Why do so many poker players point to one of these rather loose, fast players when they try to identify a great player, even the best they’ve ever seen? I have a little theory about that. I believe that these freewheeling, aggressive players support a wish held by many players. May players wish that it might be possible to play that way and win. They wish that they could do it. And when they see someone appearing to do it, it gives them hope that just maybe they can. Wouldn’t it be fun, after all, to be able to play lots of hands and to run over the games, reading your opponents so well that you win far more than a normal good player’s share of pots while avoiding trouble with uncanny consistency? How nice it would be to score big win after big win and achieve hourly rates well in excess of what is supposed to be possible. I think this is what typical players dream of doing. That is their long range goal. If they could never identify anyone who appeared to have such abilities, they would have to conclude that maybe their dream was based on fallacious thinking, that maybe it was not a possibility. And that would be a painful loss, a loss of hope. Thus illusory heroes of poker are created in the minds of those whose study of the game has been insufficient."
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:03 PM   #394
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Re: AFTER THIS POST, I\'M FINISHED WITH 2+2.

When John Feeney wrote that he was talking about a player that he saw in a B&M that would secretly add chips to his stack from his pocket when everyone would watch the flop.

This combined with his loose aggressive play/boisterous personality made it seem that he never lost. This guy is not adding chips to the table, unless he is somehow rigging the PT stats of other players to make it look like he's a winner to a bunch of internet players whom he will never meet face-to-face. This is over 150k hands!


Has anyone ever seen this guy chat?

Maybe he's the worlds first superbot programmed by NASA to help fund their space program.
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:12 PM   #395
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Maybe he's the worlds first superbot programmed by NASA to help fund their space program.
If that were the case, I think he would be timing out all the time due to crashes.
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:34 PM   #396
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When John Feeney wrote that he was talking about a player that he saw in a B&M that would secretly add chips to his stack from his pocket when everyone would watch the flop.
Page 53-55 That's not mentioned anywhere in the text...just people's perception of a loose, fast player with a win rate over a given period of time. He wasn't referring to any one particular player...perhaps another story is in the text that I've not gotten to yet as I've not finished the book yet.
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Has anyone ever seen this guy chat?

Maybe he's the worlds first superbot programmed by NASA to help fund their space program.
DERB chatting
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:32 PM   #398
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I have played this way for the last month at 10/20 around 20k hands and am up significantly. Yeah I know ... not enough hand to be statistically significant. This post is just to maybe enlighten you on what I think his playing style is. Not to prove playing this way is successful.

i have a little higher VPIP ~ 34% and it sound like we are playing the same way as my stats are about the same ... junk hands (high 1-2 gappers/2 flush cards, little pairs etc).

Basically, I bought in shortstacked with $50 (last ditch effort and have held that mentality throughout) and played 2/4 to $100 then 3/6 to $200 and moved immediately to 10/20.

I've gotten a br as large as 4k only to have it dwindle to 400 the next day, then the next run up to 2k etc ... to my current position of 7.5k

It all depends on 1. luck/cards etc ... 2. texture

I would ask you all ... are u "honestly" not changing your game when you enter a pot with him. Do you find yourself not betting for value on the river or isolation pf? Are you checking the turn too much or betting a weak hand on the turn too much? Are you folding because your relative position sucks when he raises (fearing re-raises behind)?

Are the majority of his hands against weaker/tighter players? This is probably the biggest influence on how my sessions go.


This is added only for X-file value so take it for what its worth:
One other things I will tell you and its probably just a factor of "running hot" but after abandoning an account with this particular online site after awhile i opened another and this one is hitting draws like a mother.

This can also be seen in online MMORG games. Sometimes accounts (for whatever reason and through no fault of the programmers/site operators) just have better "luck".


edit: personally i'd sit on his left and try to isolate pf and on flop. then call down your good hands and reraise your strong hands. my biggest losing sessions is when the table as a whole becomes calling stations :/
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:17 PM   #399
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Is it in any way possible that he's just somehow manipulating PT software to reflect tampered-with stats?
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Maybe DERB just has the new log12 good pattern map.
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