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Old 05-12-2005, 05:55 AM   #351
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I have a question. How many other Party 30/60 players have stats of 3BB/100 or more over 100k hands? And what are their stats?
I don't have the answer but I'm sure James or J V or a lot of other people do.
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:50 AM   #352
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I really don't think this game is beatable for 3/100 longterm no matter what kind of stats you pull out. With the new influx of tables it's a completely different story. But the way these tables played out prior to that, I think 2/100'ish is where it maxes out.
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Old 05-12-2005, 10:05 AM   #353
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My W$WSF in the 30/60 is 44.7 with a W$SD just over 52, although I've been running well in that game myself. Your W$WSF should be pretty high in this game since so many pots are contested 2- and 3-handed.
well now i see where i need to improve abit...maybe i'll move to the HUSH forum for a while...either that or stop being your slot machine.

44% is real good nate....im at 41.98.

-Barron
Holy crap. Mine is only like 36% in the 15 game over 50K hands... I must be missing out on a ton of calldowns or something. Now I am freaked out.
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Old 05-12-2005, 10:12 AM   #354
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My W$WSF in the 30/60 is 44.7 with a W$SD just over 52, although I've been running well in that game myself. Your W$WSF should be pretty high in this game since so many pots are contested 2- and 3-handed.
well now i see where i need to improve abit...maybe i'll move to the HUSH forum for a while...either that or stop being your slot machine.

44% is real good nate....im at 41.98.

-Barron
Holy crap. Mine is only like 36% in the 15 game over 50K hands... I must be missing out on a ton of calldowns or something. Now I am freaked out.
no, just a different game. of course you are going to win more often when there are less people to the flop.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:03 PM   #355
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It's just statistically impossible to run THAT well over 150k hands if you're a bad player.
Statistically improbable. There's no such thing as impossible in statistics.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:01 PM   #356
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James,

You seem to have played alot of hands vs this guy, whats your won from/lost to stats against him. I haven't seen anybody ever discuss this stat before so maybe its meaningless, I'm just curious if this guy is taking money from the TAGs as well as donks or just the donks.
Without digging up the database from my backup files, I can tell you that since I got this computer(we have played 3.5k hands or so) - He has won 97 pots from me and I have won 86 pots from him. Over this stretch I am up 3,565.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:19 PM   #357
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is it me?
are you asking if you are DERB? If so, PM me your party handle and I will tell you.
You know?!?! PM it to me.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:23 PM   #358
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It's just statistically impossible to run THAT well over 150k hands if you're a bad player.
Statistically improbable. There's no such thing as impossible in statistics.
I don't mean to quibble, but there is something called statistically impossible in statistics. I don't remember off hand where that line is drawn. However, you're not necessarily wrong, it's just a definitions thing.
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:00 PM   #359
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With the new influx of tables it's a completely different story.
I'm sorry to hijack the thread (only briefly!), but when did Party add all these new 30/60 tables? Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:02 PM   #360
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I think you'll find that he extracts a lot postflop when he is ahead and looses if not minimum then far less when he is behind. Also look for his winrate when raising the turn! I'm pretty sure it'll be something like 70%.
How can one get a winrate when raising the turn from PT? Is this fancy-schmancy add-on software/programming? Who can I nag to show me how to walk me through it/figure this out?
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:37 PM   #361
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You seem to have played alot of hands vs this guy, whats your won from/lost to stats against him. I haven't seen anybody ever discuss this stat before so maybe its meaningless, I'm just curious if this guy is taking money from the TAGs as well as donks or just the donks.
Without digging up the database from my backup files, I can tell you that since I got this computer(we have played 3.5k hands or so) - He has won 97 pots from me and I have won 86 pots from him. Over this stretch I am up 3,565.
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i have very similar # of hands (few more) and have won 98pots from him and he's won 116 pots from. i've won just over 2.8k from him

-Barron
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:40 PM   #362
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If you play 30-60 at all? How could you not know!
I hadnt played in a month and i knew right away!
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:16 PM   #363
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If you play 30-60 at all? How could you not know!
I hadnt played in a month and i knew right away!
He doesn't play 30/60 at all...neither do I lol.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:04 PM   #364
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If you play 30-60 at all? How could you not know!
I hadnt played in a month and i knew right away!
No 30 game for me.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:54 PM   #365
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I'm sorry to hijack the thread (only briefly!), but when did Party add all these new 30/60 tables? Thanks in advance.

this week i think
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:25 PM   #366
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Re: How do you get this?

The underlying data is in Microsoft Access format, if you know SQL you can extract this information directly from the data rather than going through the pokertracker interface.
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:50 PM   #367
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The underlying data is in Microsoft Access format, if you know SQL you can extract this information directly from the data rather than going through the pokertracker interface.
I don't know SQL, but I know somebody who does . . . anyone willing (here, or in a quick PM) to give me a Cliff's notes version of what is, in general, done? Enough to walk this (pretty damn smart) guy through what he'd need to do?
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:44 PM   #368
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Hi there,
I have been following this thread since it started and I am intrigued.
I would like to observe this person playing online.
Could someone please PM me DERB's Party Poker SN?

From reading this thread and not actually observing DERB's play, I am tending towards elinbauer's point of view.

But obviously finding someone at a ridiculously high level of play who is destroying (mostly) high stakes games would be a treasure trove in itself. I can see the attraction.
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:20 PM   #369
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If you play 30-60 at all? How could you not know!
I hadnt played in a month and i knew right away!
He doesn't play 30/60 at all...neither do I lol.

then he doesn't need to know I guess
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:22 PM   #370
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Re: DAWN OF THE DERB. YOU CAN\'T KILL IT.

Mission accomplished. Well done.
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:27 PM   #371
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Someone please PM me who DERB is.
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:42 PM   #372
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If you play 30-60 at all? How could you not know!
I hadnt played in a month and i knew right away!
He doesn't play 30/60 at all...neither do I lol.

then he doesn't need to know I guess
Obviously not, but if a good friend has the screenname and I ask him for it out of curiosity, then you should probably stay out of it.
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:49 PM   #373
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Re: DERB

I hadn't played a hand vs DERB. One of my first ones (not saying he played it bad or that he got overly lucky...just made me smile.)

PParty Poker 30/60 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
DERB raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, DERB caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T, 6, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, DERB calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, DERB calls, SB folds.

River: (9.50 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, DERB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results below:
Hero has Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
DERB has 9h Ah (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: DERB wins 11.50 BB.
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Old 05-12-2005, 09:20 PM   #374
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doesnt look TOO horrible

starts out as a steal
he cant fold on the flop with that much in there
then he picks up a heart draw on the turn and hits his overcard out on the river

i guess only the preflop play is questionable
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Old 05-12-2005, 10:32 PM   #375
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UprightCreature posted some very basic numbers which say that getting DERB's results over that stretch for a break even player is maybe a one in a million event.

How many Players play poker online? isn't it more than a million, probably in the tens of millions? Wouldn't that make an event like this not only possible, but probable, in the long run? More likely than not that eventually, someone who plays like Derb, is going to get lucky after 150k hands?
 

 
      

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