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05-02-2005 , 10:04 PM

J_V

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,875

Don't ever run bad. Party 30/60 player:

{{Hands 73,824 - VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0
Total winnings: $114,281

Routinely 3 bets small pocket pairs from bb, caps certainly dominated hands.

Fishy?

05-02-2005 , 10:10 PM

bicyclekick

luckbox

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,078

[censored], they're on to me.

05-02-2005 , 11:27 PM

J_V

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,875

No one has a problem with someone with those stats being up 2000 bb's? It's not like the game is a cakewalk.

05-02-2005 , 11:34 PM

mmcd

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,707

Slovenians run good.

05-02-2005 , 11:38 PM

Ian J

adept

Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,028

I was wondering the same about the same player. That seems amazing to me. He certainly is very aggressive and wins a ton of pots uncontested. I actually wanted to come here and ask the same thing, but obviously you've already done it. Anyone here have any clue as to how this individual does it?

05-02-2005 , 11:51 PM

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

Don't ever run bad. Party 30/60 player:

{{Hands 73,824 - VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0
Total winnings: $114,281

Routinely 3 bets small pocket pairs from bb, caps certainly dominated hands.

Fishy?

ok, JV, this isn't even funny.

i just emailed a 2p2er about THIS EXACT SAME THING...

i have more hands on him. its obviously the same player.

i have him as a 145k winner at a rate of 3bb/100 over more hands than you have on him.

i asked my friend "how can this be humanly possible that this person plays almost 2X as many hands as i and has a higher win rate.?"

the response: "i certainly wish i knew."

-Barron

05-02-2005 , 11:53 PM

bicyclekick

luckbox

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,078

Only thing I can think is mb he's working with a few other players? I don't play the party 30 game much at all so I really have no idea.

05-02-2005 , 11:54 PM

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

ok,

so we all know (in this thread) who we're talking about...

if somebody asked me if this was possible i'd say no.

but it is...i dont know how he/she does it (ive certainly seen some very odd play from this person vs. me) but somehow it works...its absolutely amazing.

-Barron

05-02-2005 , 11:58 PM

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

Only thing I can think is mb he's working with a few other players? I don't play the party 30 game much at all so I really have no idea.

i can tell you i will now be VIGILANTLY watching his play.

-Barron

05-02-2005 , 11:59 PM

#10

Eihli

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,403

what is the NF number? ag is aggression factor right?

05-03-2005 , 12:04 AM

#11

Lestat

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10,994

Can't an experience be an exact opposite of mine?

I'm stuck 4 dimes in 56k hands. Of course, no one has to believe me, but I play pretty good. Definitely better than the average 15 player. Yet I haven't been able to win and have no reason to think I ever will.

Online is a strange enigma to me. Edge is small, variance is high and you need tons of hands to reach the long term. If I just won anywhere near the proper percentage of times someone hit a 2-outer after throwing in tons of bets, I'd be doing fine. What I'm saying is that this can work in reverse too.

05-03-2005 , 12:19 AM

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JAA

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 532

I can see what you're saying, but I think being stuck 4k after 56k hands is a bit different from making 3bb/100 over 145k. From reading your posts to date, I'd be willing to bet it turns around for you, and probably soon.

As for the dude, either a.) this is a very rare statistical anomoly, b.) there is some form of collusion happening, or c.) he is a world-class player, so good that he can make hands profitable that the VAST majority of other players could not

This is real interesting - Jags

05-03-2005 , 12:19 AM

#13

mmcd

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,707

VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0

For the computer saavy, is this feasible?

Intuitively, it seems to me that these numbers would be somewhere near optimal if you could actually see your opponents' cards. The random ATo caps and whatnot are obviously horrible, but perhaps some the stuff like that is just provide part of a general cover of donkishness. I don't know [censored] about computers, but I think the sites are pretty damn secure, but what about hacking into other player's computers and just watching their screens. I'm sure some players will have enough security to make this difficult, but many probably will not.

05-03-2005 , 12:21 AM

#14

JAA

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 532

An aggression factor of 2 with a VPIP of 30 is ridiculous. There has to be something up here. That would be like a dude with VPIP 17 having an aggression factor of like 3+. (no math behind that, but you get my point)

- Jags

05-03-2005 , 12:32 AM

#15

BradL

adept

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 815

Not that I believe everything he has to say but you should check out what Russ Georgiev has written on cheating, if you havnt already; it certainly makes you wonder just how prevelant it may be... to say the least.

-Brad

05-03-2005 , 12:48 AM

#16

Senor Choppy

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,178

I'd love to see a full rundown of his PT stats, like blind defense numbers, VPIP through various positions, etc.

Posting individual hands might also be enlightening.

05-03-2005 , 01:28 AM

#17

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

I'd love to see a full rundown of his PT stats, like blind defense numbers, VPIP through various positions, etc.

Posting individual hands might also be enlightening.

vpip 30
pfr 17
ag 2.0
nf 21
fold sb- 70
fold bb- 30
fold bb HU- 24
WSD- 41
W$SD- 50
when fold turn- 3
when fold river- 3
c'r- 3
won $: $145k
win rate: 3bb/100

all i can say is jesus effing christ.

-Barron

05-03-2005 , 01:34 AM

#18

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

i want to analyze this stuff statistically.

i need help turning a column of text into separate columns.

furrnetly, for each player i have in excel column A reads:

PLAYERNAME~{{HP - somenumber - VPIP somenumber - Raise somenumber - nofold somenumber - ag somenumber

the remaining 3 columns are similarly edited so i have lots of data but no way to get JUST the #s...

i want to separate EVERYHTING in that cell into its own columns...so where i now have 1 column...i'd like to end up with like 12 or whatever excel can break those things into.

any ideas?
-Barron

05-03-2005 , 02:01 AM

#19

Josh W

banned

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,571

I'm no expert, but I think if you highlight the data, go up to "Data" then down to "Text to Columns", it should take you through it...

Good luck.

Josh

05-03-2005 , 02:03 AM

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DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

I'm no expert, but I think if you highlight the data, go up to "Data" then down to "Text to Columns", it should take you through it...

Good luck.

Josh

btw, if i get this set up i can do ALOT ALOT of useful sets of analyses...i can probably spend an entire day looking at the data and still only graze the surface.

-Barron

05-03-2005 , 02:08 AM

#21

PokerMike

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 226

Quote:

I emailed him too. I just can't get my head around these stats.

93k hands, 30/17/2.0, 144k earned, filtered for 7+ players. How?

05-03-2005 , 02:14 AM

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J_V

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,875

I don't know about excel, but I'd like to know how many sigmas off the norm this is. The fact that he's from the poker capital of the world scares me also and the weird beats he put on me as if he could see the cards. Bet I'm not the first loser to say that

05-03-2005 , 02:23 AM

#23

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

you're not...the first person or a loser.

but we will find out a lot from the data if i can get the columns separated.

-Barron

05-03-2005 , 02:24 AM

#24

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

I emailed him too. I just can't get my head around these stats.

93k hands, 30/17/2.0, 144k earned, filtered for 7+ players. How?

i imported the data to excel...i'll be working on this till i get some answers so rest assued.

Barron

05-03-2005 , 02:30 AM

#25

rigoletto

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,349

I think you'll find that he extracts a lot postflop when he is ahead and looses if not minimum then far less when he is behind. Also look for his winrate when raising the turn! I'm pretty sure it'll be something like 70%.

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