Michael Parola

thanks

he's currently at the final table of the 33 2r1a. he's been playing for at least 5:25. this however doesn't mean anyone should be paid. it takes at least 6 hours to pay people in todays day and age.

i asked him when he was gonna pay at one of his tables and this was all he said


YouHave2outs said, "gotta chuckle"

showing your true character now youhave2outs.


pretty absurd that you are basically taunting the people you owe. playing while you still have debts out is beyond absurd. you have enough time to play, so should have enough time (and respect) to pay back the people you owe.


your family problems have absolutely 0 to do with all of this...it's basically you showing what kind of person you really are.


really hope this is the last business you every try and do on 2p2.

gtfo with this youhave2outs

you had a compelling story.

people gave you the benefit of the doubt.

then you just **** all over them over and over again.

huge joke.

Yeah he's rolled on you but tbh if i was reading Zima's posts I'd not pay just to spite everyone. He paid some, realised he'd be banned/have terrible rep anyway, read the sarcasm and incessant whinging from zima (how could it help, seriously) and decided to roll. He'll probably pay when he's doing ok out of some personal guilt even though he knows he'll no longer be welcome. Sht happens, zima back on ignore.

In summary, OP is terrible. However, earlier in the thread you tried to appease him, being nice etc..he comes on to pay some and you mess up by threatening bans - WAIT FOR THE MONEY. Surely those who recieved should share..but that's not going to happen..

bolded---glad you showed your true character. i will be sure to bring this up every time you try and sell anything in the MP.


just amazes me people still think like this. how can my post have any bearing on whether he pays or not. i am annoying/dumb/idiotic/trolling/douchebag/whatever. doesnt mean he should spite me (wtf would spiting me do anyway) and not pay the people who had faith in his skills and character.


you are an idiot Astyanax.


maybe my whining didnt help in this thread, but i have no guilt. scumbags are gonna be scumbags every now and again.


whats the total debt owed at this point anyway.

Now now, it is pretty obvious I was joking to make a point. You have taken it literally which is fine. My only real point was that you troll/whinge etc which you have admitted. 'maybe my whining didnt help in this thread, but i have no guilt' - enough said. I hope everyone gets paid and I like to see ppl like Jogden pay back even though I'm not involved..but there is a game to be played here and you pushed him away. He was paying everyone slowly and a hiccup was seized upon and now he is gone. Scumbag or not, he paid some and it is likely the fuss caused and the reaction to his excuse made him think fk it. I hope you never get rolled on...

i am down more from rollings than anyone who has posted in this thread, most likely.

i deal with more staking stuff than anyone in this thread, most likely

i have staked more people than everyone in this thread, most likely

i deal with the scumbags and degens of the poker community all the time, but i also deal with some great people who make mistakes. you find out a lot about people and their character when things go wrong. If people own up to their mistakes and do everything they can to make them right, i have no problem treating them like adults and still helping them.

OP has PM'd me and asked me to help him sort out who else is owed money and how much they are owed - if we could keep the noise down in this thread while I work through it that'd be great.

It appears this is left in refunds from his other thread:

From this thread:

That should be correct based on posts in this thread and what OP has said as well.

Thought this thread was dead. It has delivered a lot.
Hadn't noticed but received the money on the 16th.

Bump for posterity.

gg in the 11r!

lol:

Obviously, it doesn't matter what anyone says in this thread, let alone some that hasn't invested, the seller should pay everyone in a timely manner. That said, if I was owed and I was in this thread being nice as to not ostracize op and increase my chances of being paid, I'd be pretty pissed at Zima coming in and being a dick.

I think people who are owed are hesitant to be persistent so, in that sense, it's good for uninvolved people to keep bumping the thread but in a respectable manner.

Flame or troll op all you want when the debt is paid or when the debt is written off. Maybe that's what happened, I don't remember when the tone of posts turned overly negative.

Anyway, it's a silly situation, obviously there's a good chance the guy doesn't deserve respect but you're not dealing with the most rational people. Some are looking for any reason to not pay their debts so you should be careful how you talk to them, especially while there's still a good chance they're going to pay.

edit. If this is at all unclear, I'm not defending op, not at all. My suggestion to be respectful is simply to maximize the chances of people getting paid. An irrational person could use people being dickish to them as an excuse to not pay. It's obviously not a valid excuse.

edit2. In my limited experience, Zima seems like a good thing for the marketplace, overall, fwiw.

I respectfully disagree with most of the above. It may be true on an individual basis that an investor may have a slightly better chance of being paid if they tip toe around the OP and be nice and all. But on the whole I feel it's much better to reveal OP's name/info and nearly any creative method to bring discomfort to the OP. This will act as a deterent to other would be scammers and in the long run would cause less rollers overall. As zima stated... scumbags are gonna be scumbags and I agree with this. Some people have no intention of paying back regardless of what is said about them while others end up making mistakes that gets them in a hole. This latter group may be more disciplined with investors money if they know in advance what will happen to them.

Some good points, and I agree to a certain extent. As I alluded too in my previous post, once we get to a point where it's reasonable to assume the debt is unlikely to be paid (I shouldn't have went as far as saying written off) I think it's fine to do whatever people think will work to retrieve the money, short of physical threat. I think there's a fine line wrt harassment and I'm not sure where that line is, but whatever that wasn't really the issue I was talking about.

I'm not sure what works better, overall, as a deterrent for future scammers. Like, if everyone is respectful (that doesn't mean pretending someones actions are okay, just not being trollish/dickish about it) while waiting for funds to be paid but then afterward everyone states their true opinion on the matter, I don't see how that will be much different. That's just my opinion and I really have no idea.

I think the bigger issue is whether it's fair to the investors and perhaps it should just be understood that we have to behave in a way that's best for the marketplace, overall instead of the individual investors. I'm not sure what the status quo is. Perhaps pming the investors and getting their input on how to handle the situation is best? I don't know.

Apologies for not being clearer in my original post, I meant to comment on the possibility that Zima's attitude may be the best way to elicit a payment by the average stakee, just not imo.

Also, I apologize if this has all been hashed out in the past and determined that it's all okay and the best way to handle things. I don't have a lot of experience with these things but just thought I'd add in my 2 cents. Some other posters made slightly similar replies in support of op and I thought they were way too lenient on op and didn't really make a good point.

ship this **** man

1% = $53.81

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Also, I would never stake Asyntax or however you spell it after reading his post. Jesus christ people are so messed up and emotional

I don't want staking but I'll be sure to quote your post as a warning if I ever ask since it is your feeling based on one post. It's funny - Zima admitted himself that he made mistakes. I am not going to bring up his name but there is a poster well respected in the mttc who told one of my horses he should roll on me (when I had staked lots of people). He has now apologised and the matter went no further. My comment was taken literally when it shouldn't have been. I agree with sufur..for people so experienced in staking you should know there is a point where he may have paid and calling him scum (in that grey area) etc pushed him away. Anyway, don't really know why I posted as this is not my concern. Gl. You and Zima have staked tonnes of people so you probably know best (seriously).

i find it hard to believe zima told anyone to intentionally scam anyone having known him for quite some time

he may be blunt and whatever but hes always been very straightforward and everything he has done itt and MP is certainly for the best, dealing with lots of other peoples $$ isnt a ****ing joke

i'm still waiting for my $, but he owed me significantly more from another staking thread, and he paid back back very timely. maybe cut the guy a break one time? i know it's been awhile but selling shares has been profitable for him if he has any kind of brain he will pay back so he can continue being reputable in this forum

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