Will probably start play tonight and will be updating daily figures in this thread as well as updating a rail on my own forum for people who bought pieces there

http://www.venompoker.com/showthread...SN-is-Outright

2/27 - $10,556

edit, playing a few more hands

2/28 $10,035

2/29 - 8718

3/1 - $5300

I got ABSOLUTELY hammered today. Lost almost every pot I played. Had aces 5 times and it folded around 4 times when I raised and lost the other to J6

Last 3 hands of night I played

KJ vs k9 flop k92
qq vs a2 flop q354x
aq vs 33 flop q3x

All day today this was the case. If I wasn't folding I was losing the pot. All in all it was a 6k swing in 30 hrs. Last night I was ahead 1300 overall on the stake. roll was around 11,300 @ one point.

I then played a heads up match vs. a fish @ 5-10. Guy ran 93.10 to 400. We moved to 10-20 where he hit EVERYTHING. He ran 400 to 2500 catching about 20 sets to my 1 on that run and then I finally catch a hot streak and start beating him and he quits +1700 or so.

Today it just carried over I lost 1k to a huge loser @ 20-40 hu and lost about 2k playing 20-40 where it seemed I was folding nonstop for 3 hrs. When I did play a hand I either lost or they folded. Flopped the stone nuts twice today that I can remember and lost both of those.

I am not complaining about this in the least bit and it sucks to go on downswings like this and be this unlucky but it can't last forever. I am going to take tomorrow off and if I do play it will only be heads up from 4-8 to 15-30.

So for the next 24-48 hours I am going to hit the gym hard and kill some stress and get all things I need to take care of out of the way and when I jump back in I will be refreshed and recharged.

Hopefully things turn around quick cause I just peaked @ my graph and it is pretty mind boggling the down swing I am on and I am pretty sure and very hopeful it won't continue like this. I am playing in good games. I am getting the best position on the table that I can. I am constantly moving seats and getting position on the terrible players but the cards are not cooperating. Last time I had a run this bad was on the last stake and I followed it up with 20k win in a row. Let's hope that is the case again.

Will be back to run it up in a day or 2

3/2- $4814

I don't want to flame about results, but I'm suddenly not sure what's going on. Your op said there would be volume at lower stakes, and we would benefit steadily from 30% of the rakeback. That's what I thought I was buying. I know you're picking spots, but most of the linked material is 10/20-20/40, against "huge losers" who are now running hot?

Also, you were going to break and then play the weekend. You didn't because of your favorite target being around?

Hopefully this weekend turns the corner. GL

I'm not an investor in this and I want to believe you are doing the right thing and giving this stake your best effort and judgement but a couple of things to note:

Like the above poster stated, you said you would be grinding the lower stakes:

Yet you haven't played a single hand of 3/6 yet and limited at 4/8 according to PTR. If you feel you can crush the lower limits (which I'm sure you can) then you should be crushing there and moving up when BRM calls for it. The variance at 10/20 - 20/40 can be heavy, and you certainly shouldn't be starting there.

I was hesitant on buying (I posted in OP as I was interested) And I didn't want to derail your MP OP but since this is now a go and in motion I will say I honestly don't feel the 10K is a proper roll for you to be playing 15/30 and 20/40. Of course, if you beat it up at 3-6 -- 10/20 and moved up within the stake thats a different story, but it seems you are starting at 10/20 and above, with limited hands being played at 4/8 and 5/10 and 0 at 3/6.

More than 50% of the 10K roll is gone and you haven't grinded any of the lower stake games which you "crush" so IMO I would advise stepping down in stakes and beating the lower limit games and moving up which you should have done to begin with. This is advice, I'm not trolling. I want to see you crush this stake and turn a profit man, GL with this.

Heavy volume will be put in @ the lower stakes and I intend on grinding it back up. I have been sitting but haven't got many takers.

I was intending on taking a break from 6 max but when I can get position on 2 huge fish who are 10 bb 100 losers I can't pass that up.

Keep the faith I will be grinding it back up.

I havent gotten much takers @ those lower heads up limits either. I am sitting at them every day. The majority of heads up action I have gotten has been @10-20 and I have gotten run over which is pretty rare for me although it happens from time to time.

As far as a "proper bankroll" what exactly constitutes a proper bankroll? I am comfortable playing what I have with 10k. I added makeup in case I bust. I still have some bankroll , I have a plan and I will execute it.

And yes I am going to sit in all heads up games for a while and grind it back up.

I can see where you are coming from with me playing too "high" but at the same time I have lost half of the money I have lost @ 10-20 heads up which is rare for me. Those are games I expect to crush and right now I am running REALLY bad.

I'm not taking a shot at you with this statement but if I was ahead 6 or 7k which could easily be the case you wouldn't have made your post.

Time to grind it back up.

Roll is hovering around 3k and will update firmly after tonights play.

"Roll is hovering around 3k and will update firmly after tonights play."
at what point will you get worried..ive watched other big stakes like this go down then striaght up to 20k profit,but at what point is it time to say somethings not right? i was going to buyin and looking at your stats you are a beast but down 7k in 5 days and going striaght down.I think its time to do something different..goodluck and i hope it turns around and it can, but ussually guys go down to a quarter of stakes they ussually play to do this.No bankroll management and you run the risk of going broke in the next 24/48hr. best of luck and not a flame just concerned and have followed this everyday since inception..ty rmw

Last night I hit a boiling point of frustration and went offline and did some other productive things for 24 hrs.

Am I very dissapointed the roll is down 70%? YES but I am not worried. And not because it is not my money I put in. I have been in this situation countless times before and I know what I need to do and I know how to grind it back up.

Majority of losses are @ 10-20 HU I lost about 3500 to 2 guys I usually would kill no matter how good they ran. And another 90 bets @ 20-40 which is pretty standard for any ring games.

As I said I am stepping away from all 6 max games for a while and I am going to grind this up @ heads up games. Guarantee will not be busted in 24-48 hours and will be back in really good shape before you know it.

AND FWIW this is sorta what happened last time I ran this exact stake. I was ahead 3k one night roll wise and had an awfull night and lost the 3k back + another 3k

Was told this and that by several people. I hopped back down and grinded heads up for 4 or 5 days and then won 25k straight.

I have a plan and it is to sit and keep getting the roll in better and better shape in the best hu games I can find. That's it. It is simple and easy but it will work

i know you can do it ,,thanks for quick reply.I was just trying to give you something to think about ..Best of luck and thanks for being cool about me posting im not trolling just interested for next time you run one of these.I admire your confidence..I wish you the best and hope everything turns around asap..Ive been watching a similar thing happpen to Eppy he ran really bad in the begining of his 20k 5 month grind.He was down to 6 or 7 k and has come back to even or almost even.But he did drop down to 50s instead of grinding 100 50/50s this is why i was stating about dropping down but youve got a good plan...good luck rmw

Will respond after 1st match I am currently in

+600 so far and 900 to go

Obv ya I am cool with anyone posting and appreciate the feedback from everyone and am fine with an open dialogue about everything.

I have no problem cutting out the 6 max for a while. If and when I build it back up I will open games and leave when they fill.

For now it is just heads up exclusively

I will regrow this roll pretty quick. Throughout my online career I have never kept a lot of money online and rarely busted and rarely had to reload because I put myself in GRADE A spots.

Over the course of 2009 to early 2010 I usually kept 1k online to play 3-6 5-10 and 10-20 heads up and maybe had to reload 3 times and I was cashing out thousands left and right.

So playing "shortrolled" is nothing new to me and know how to grow this back up like a Chia-pet

+500 + a lot of RB first match today.

First time in a while I played heads up exclusively for the entire day and it felt good beating on everyone knowing I was pretty much in total control of everything.


When I started the day I said we were hovering around 3k and to be exact we were lower than that . We were actually around 2700

I started play and booked a $500 dollar win in a heads up match 10-20

Made about $150 playing 3-6

Lost $500 to a huge fish @ 15-30 as he hit and ran me in 14 hands and didnt miss anything

Played another 10-20 match and busted the guy that beat the snot of me the other day and won $320 or so

Made about $200 playing $5-10 and $4-8

3/4 $3335

I am going to sit every day from 3-6 to to 15-30 heads up and grind the crap out of this roll till I have it back up and will select very good. I plan on putting in double time every day as well and will open some games and quit when they go 3 handed.

We will be back before you know it. It won't go up as fast as it came down but it will go up steadily day by day.

beginning now +120 so far

not a ton of action but up around 3600 for roll

will get us back but its going to take some steady consistent grinding

3/5 $3260

I think you would be able to grind the roll back up a ton faster if you are also playing 2/4 3/6 and 5/T ring games and benefiting from your "35%" rakeback. Yes 6max is higher variance, but that's why you play low enough to withstand that variance. Sitting at 3-6 to 15-30 is a perfect way to get almost no volume (read less rakeback,) while at the same time busting your roll if you run bad one time at T/20 or 15/30.

Once you reach a point (1000-1500 imo, different for everybody) where you can no longer sit at 5/T without feeling like you are going to bust your roll, it is almost like a point of no return, and almost impossible to grind back up without putting a ton of time. You do not want to put yourself in danger of reaching this point, and that's why you should drop down now, instead of sitting all the way up to 15/30 and hoping to godmode a fish.

I have a ton of respect for the amount of time you put in, and feel bad that Merge has given you the old doomswitch for the last few months. That said, I don't think you are currently setting yourself up for the best chance of success in your stake.

gl, and use that 35% rake to your advantage in this.

^^^I said 30% OF rakeback because that would be investor cut, unless op meant 100%, but i doubt that.

I wanted to say that I appreciate seeing your whole process, which is certainly impossible to put in an op. Running slow and steady is fine with me for 90 days.

All rakeback is added into the stake daily, I get paid every night @ 2 AM and it is added right into my roll

Appreciate the feedback and will reply to above post later