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11-20-2010 , 03:33 AM
^hes talking exclusively about live
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11-20-2010 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Barbegris
Say it's a live tourney, and you're moved to a new table; do you really just shove almost 30 big blinds (I'm assuming blinds are at about 60/120) in this spot? This isn't a 100r on stars with a bunch of regs and you're playing 15 tournies. Your edge in a live tourney is such that I can't believe shoving is $EV... cEV maybe, but not $EV.

(I'm not trying to be disparaging. It's just that I've recently played some live tournies and the play I see live is really bad compared to online and I'm trying to figure out how that should affect how one should play. Maybe you should still push 55-45 edges. I'm not so sure, and I'm really not sure about true flips.)
i agree that there are scenarios where taking lower variance lines are better in live donkaments..but this imo would not be one of them. flatting gives up all the FE I have preflop, and there's t540 in the pot. at the same time, I'll be whiffing most flops and missing out on value even when I do hit. AKs is an excellent hand to 3bet not only for its showdown value but for its non-showdown value, and flatting pre reduces both significantly
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11-20-2010 , 11:58 AM
i wasn't considering a flat. so the choice is between a 3bet shove or to something like 850. again this is live, and you'd be surprised how many times a raise like this gets a fold.

also, i'm amazed at how many live players regard any Ax hand as the nuts once they hit an A on the flop and will play it down to the end. in this hand, your shove's only going to get a call from pairs and maybe A9+, probably more like AQ+ live. that's a flip. whereas if you 3bet to 850 and get a call you can reevaluate after the flop and still get away comparatively cheaply if necessary but if an A hits you can valuetown those who called with Ax, because they're not going anywhere.

all you guys are better at this poker thing than i am though. i'm just trying to get a handle on online vs live differences.

Last edited by Mr. Barbegris; 11-20-2010 at 12:21 PM.
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11-20-2010 , 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Barbegris
i wasn't considering a flat. so the choice is between a 3bet shove or to something like 850. again this is live, and you'd be surprised how many times a raise like this gets a fold.

also, i'm amazed at how many live players regard any Ax hand as the nuts once they hit an A on the flop and will play it down to the end. in this hand, your shove's only going to get a call from pairs and maybe A9+, probably more like AQ+ live. that's a flip. whereas if you 3bet to 850 and get a call you can reevaluate after the flop. you can get away if necessary and if an A hits you can valuetown those who called with Ax, because they're not going anywhere.

all you guys are better at this poker thing than i am though. i'm just trying to get a handle on online vs live differences.
the reevaluating on the flop is the part that sucks. there'd be a lot of awkward situations postflop given my stack size with a pot of t1880 and t2550 behind on the flop.
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11-20-2010 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by miw210
the reevaluating on the flop is the part that sucks. there'd be a lot of awkward situations postflop given my stack size with a pot of t1880 and t2550 behind on the flop.
fair enough (though it doesn't suck as much as busting out of a live tournament).
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11-20-2010 , 03:16 PM
sorry guys, something came up. i probably cant play today, will be back on the grind tomorrow
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11-21-2010 , 06:26 AM
AK is super std
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11-21-2010 , 03:15 PM
are you playing tonight?
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11-21-2010 , 03:22 PM
yeah, playing now. got in the 6max ftops a little late
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11-21-2010 , 03:26 PM
no worries!

Good Luck!
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11-21-2010 , 03:28 PM
good start :\


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 6 players
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BTN: t6385 212.83 BBs
Hero (SB): t4970 165.67 BBs
BB: t4620 154 BBs
UTG: t10640 354.67 BBs
MP: t4950 165 BBs
CO: t5320 177.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with T T
4 folds, Hero raises to t90, BB calls t60

Flop: (t180) A A 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t90, BB calls t90

Turn: (t360) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t240, Hero calls t240

River: (t840) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Final Pot: t840
Hero mucks T T
BB shows Q K (two pair, Aces and Kings)
BB wins t840
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11-21-2010 , 03:43 PM
good start


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 5 players
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BB: t6545 163.62 BBs
Hero (UTG): t4550 113.75 BBs
CO: t5120 128 BBs
BTN: t10820 270.50 BBs
SB: t4910 122.75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is UTG with 3 3
Hero raises to t120, 3 folds, BB calls t80

Flop: (t260) A 6 3 (2 players)
BB bets t160, Hero raises to t480, BB calls t320

Turn: (t1220) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t875, BB raises to t1920, Hero calls t1045

River: (t5060) 5 (2 players)
BB bets t4025 all in, Hero calls t2030 all in

Final Pot: t9120
BB shows A Q (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows 3 3 (three of a kind, Threes)
Hero wins t9120
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11-21-2010 , 04:14 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 6 players
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MP: t7620 95.25 BBs
Hero (CO): t10395 129.94 BBs
BTN: t1135 14.19 BBs
SB: t8500 106.25 BBs
BB: t6130 76.62 BBs
UTG: t2550 31.88 BBs

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is CO with J Q
2 folds, Hero raises to t240, BTN raises to t1135 all in, 2 folds, Hero calls t895

Flop: (t2390) 5 5 T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2390) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2390) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2390
Hero shows J Q (a pair of Fives)
BTN shows 8 8 (two pair, Eights and Fives)
BTN wins t2390
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11-21-2010 , 05:07 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t80/t160 Blinds - 6 players
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SB: t10165 63.53 BBs
Hero (BB): t8895 55.59 BBs
UTG: t3800 23.75 BBs
MP: t6840 42.75 BBs
CO: t8520 53.25 BBs
BTN: t3110 19.44 BBs

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is BB with 6 6
3 folds, BTN raises to t400, SB calls t320, Hero raises to t1325, BTN raises to t3110 all in, SB raises to t10165 all in, Hero requests TIME, 1 fold

Flop: (t7545) 2 2 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t7545) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7545) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t7545
SB shows A A (two pair, Aces and Twos)
BTN shows A 3 (a pair of Twos)
SB wins t7545
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11-21-2010 , 05:09 PM
bounty


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players
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UTG: t14600 73 BBs
Hero (CO): t7470 37.35 BBs
BTN: t3800 19 BBs
SB: t6640 33.20 BBs
BB: t8820 44.10 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with J A
1 fold, Hero raises to t500, BTN raises to t3800 all in, 2 folds, Hero calls t3300

Flop: (t7900) K T 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t7900) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t7900) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t7900
Hero shows J A (a pair of Aces)
BTN shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins t7900
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11-21-2010 , 05:27 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t120/t240 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
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MP: t21865 M = 42.87
Hero (CO): t12980 M = 25.45
BTN: t7505 M = 14.72
SB: t9698 M = 19.02
BB: t9965 M = 19.54
UTG: t6692 M = 13.12

Pre Flop: (t510) Hero is CO with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, BTN calls t600, SB raises to t1750, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4575, 2 folds

Final Pot: t4490
Hero wins t4490
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11-21-2010 , 05:34 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t140/t280 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
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SB: t28302 M = 49.65
Hero (BB): t15645 M = 27.45
UTG: t7250 M = 12.72
MP: t6718 M = 11.79
CO: t10790 M = 18.93
BTN: t8795 M = 15.43

Pre Flop: (t570) Hero is BB with Q K
3 folds, BTN raises to t765, 1 fold, Hero calls t485

Flop: (t1820) J 3 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (t1820) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t1225, Hero calls t1225

River: (t4270) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t2475, BTN calls t2475

Final Pot: t9220
Hero shows Q K (three of a kind, Queens)
BTN mucks A K
Hero wins t9220
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11-21-2010 , 06:08 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 6 players
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BB: t30672 M = 34.08
Hero (UTG): t20195 M = 22.44
MP: t13624 M = 15.14
CO: t6335 M = 7.04
BTN: t3871 M = 4.30
SB: t13544 M = 15.05

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is UTG with A T
Hero raises to t1000, MP calls t1000, 3 folds, BB calls t600

Flop: (t3500) 8 5 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (t3500) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2100, MP calls t2100, BB folds

River: (t7700) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets t3400, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Final Pot: t7700
MP wins t7700
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11-21-2010 , 06:13 PM
villain's 3rd open shove in a row. sigh, rebuy


Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds + t5 - 6 players
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UTG: t7405 M = 70.52
MP: t3330 M = 31.71
CO: t5850 M = 55.71
BTN: t8125 M = 77.38
SB: t2690 M = 25.62
Hero (BB): t5560 M = 52.95

Pre Flop: (t105) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, MP raises to t3325 all in, 3 folds, Hero calls t3275

Flop: (t6705) 3 2 J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t6705) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t6705) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t6705
MP shows K A (a pair of Jacks - Ace+King kicker)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Jacks)
MP wins t6705
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11-21-2010 , 06:18 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #32 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t50 - 6 players
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SB: t22694 M = 21.61
BB: t12451 M = 11.86
UTG: t15920 M = 15.16
MP: t32379 M = 30.84
CO: t21672 M = 20.64
Hero (BTN): t16045 M = 15.28

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BTN with Q K
1 fold, MP raises to t1325, 1 fold, Hero calls t1325, 2 folds

Flop: (t3700) Q T 4 (2 players)
MP bets t1235, Hero raises to t3625, MP raises to t14575, Hero raises to t14670 all in, MP calls t95

Turn: (t33040) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t33040) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t33040
MP shows J K (a flush, King high)
Hero shows Q K (a pair of Queens)
MP wins t33040
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11-21-2010 , 06:48 PM
Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds + t10 - 6 players
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BB: t7535 M = 41.86
UTG: t4565 M = 25.36
MP: t6391 M = 35.51
CO: t7706 M = 42.81
BTN: t3668 M = 20.38
Hero (SB): t5545 M = 30.81

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is SB with K 2
4 folds, Hero raises to t240, BB calls t160

Flop: (t540) 3 6 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t375, BB calls t375

Turn: (t1290) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t775, BB calls t775

River: (t2840) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t1750, BB raises to t6135 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: t6340
BB wins t6340
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11-21-2010 , 07:32 PM
Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds + t15 - 6 players
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BTN: t11200 M = 41.48
SB: t5296 M = 19.61
BB: t7848 M = 29.07
UTG: t3438 M = 12.73
MP: t4568 M = 16.92
Hero (CO): t6060 M = 22.44

Pre Flop: (t270) Hero is CO with A Q
UTG raises to t360, 1 fold, Hero raises to t840, 3 folds, UTG calls t480

Flop: (t1950) K Q 5 (2 players)
UTG bets t2583 all in, Hero calls t2583

Turn: (t7116) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t7116) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t7116
UTG shows 7 9 (a flush, Queen high)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Queens)
UTG wins t7116
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11-21-2010 , 07:45 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Main Event No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t7825 156.50 BBs
Hero (SB): t7120 142.40 BBs
BB: t8475 169.50 BBs
UTG: t7080 141.60 BBs
UTG+1: t1790 35.80 BBs
UTG+2: t9315 186.30 BBs
MP1: t6840 136.80 BBs
MP2: t13125 262.50 BBs
CO: t5930 118.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with K K
4 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t500, BB requests TIME, BB calls t450, MP2 calls t350

Flop: (t1500) 3 T J (3 players)
Hero bets t1150, BB calls t1150, MP2 folds

Turn: (t3800) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB requests TIME, BB checks

River: (t3800) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t2400, BB requests TIME, BB folds

Final Pot: t3800
Hero wins t3800
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11-21-2010 , 08:07 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #33 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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UTG+1: t6198 M = 5.90
UTG+2: t13174 M = 12.55
MP1: t10338 M = 9.85
MP2: t15130 M = 14.41
CO: t5110 M = 4.87
BTN: t40503 M = 38.57
Hero (SB): t9705 M = 9.24
BB: t7929 M = 7.55
UTG: t11055 M = 10.53

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is SB with K A
7 folds, Hero raises to t1200, BB raises to t7879 all in, Hero calls t6679

Flop: (t16208) Q 7 J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t16208) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t16208) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t16208
Hero shows K A (Ace King high)
BB shows 9 9 (three of a kind, Nines)
BB wins t16208
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11-21-2010 , 08:09 PM
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #33 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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SB: t6698 M = 6.38
BB: t13024 M = 12.40
UTG: t10188 M = 9.70
UTG+1: t14980 M = 14.27
UTG+2: t4960 M = 4.72
MP1: t40353 M = 38.43
Hero (MP2): t1676 M = 1.60
CO: t16958 M = 16.15
BTN: t10305 M = 9.81

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is MP2 with K 6
4 folds, Hero raises to t1626 all in, 3 folds, BB calls t1226

Flop: (t3902) 2 A T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3902) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3902) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3902
BB shows Q 3 (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows K 6 (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins t3902
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