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09-13-2011 , 05:59 PM
Butlucked DOnked out by big stack ULTIMATE DONK in the $3 super deep stack $200 GTD.

Nokia79 in 1 hand had a under gun raiser raise to 650 under gun with JJ, then AK reraises all in, and then Nokia the donk calls all in preflop 1000 x BB's deep with just AJ, and butluck sucks out.

Then he raising and calling no matter how big the preflop raises are with any 2 cards no matter what. Then he started betting big on the flop all the time with anything.

Then he stacked off like 3 to 7 times vs other players while stacking other players a few times on the rare times when he miraculously woke up with a hand.

The worst was when he raised 52 off up preflop, then the flop was A2T type board, then he bets big on the flop on his bottom pair of 2's, then other player reraises all in, and he calls all in with his bottom pair of 2's, and stacks off to the that other player.

I had folded 15 to 30 straight hands. I had K9 in late position. Donk minrraises QT , and I call with K9 in late position, to try and hit board and stack him the DONK.

Then the flop comes 79J. and DONK bets big at 1700 yet again for like the millionth time. Altho the J could of hit his range, based on the way the DONK had been playing, that wasnt likely.

folding would be bad, flat calling would be spewy, because it would mean putting about 27% of my stack in. And reraising small to say 3300 would be just as bad.

So to me the only thing l;eft to do is make take a stand, and have donk stack off to me most likely.

Also altho I knew a player left to act behind me might call me with a better hand. there wasnt very many players left to act behind me, since I was in position with my hand,

And I had seen players call the DONK and others off with extrmeely wide ranges at the table, So I knew that if I reraised all in, that I probably had DONK beat,crushed, and that either nobody was likely to call behind me with better, probability wise, and or if I am called, that I get called by a hand like 98 that I have beat with my K9 middle pair.

So because of all that I reraise K9 middle pair all in postflop over DONK's big 1700bet, with his QT straight draw, and a player call all in behind me with a lesser hand then mine. So I had a decent ok chance to tripple up with the best hand.

And big stack DONK sucks out again on the river, for his 10th to 20th time, and OUT I went.

I just want to make perfectly clear, that I was playing a specific, extrmeely ultimately rare BIG DONK, and situation, and thats why I made the move I made.

Almost ALL the time I almost NEVER EVER make a play like this with stacks so deep early to midway thru the tourney.

I was playing the player. I had a 83 to 93% chance to be beating crushing what DONK had based on DONKS previous play.

That DONK is one of the worst players I have ever seen play at minted poker.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-13-2011 , 06:50 PM
LMAO lol, Nokia79 the DONK that donked me out. He didnt make the final table, and didnt cash lol. He had DONKED his way to a 88k 10,000 x BB stack early to midway thru the tourney, and somewhere sometime after that must havge DONKed off his entire 88k 10,000 x BB stack off, before the bubble or final table. LMAO lol. He could have stamped his ticket to the final table, and had a decent chance to win the whole tourney with such a big stack LMAO lol, but instead he pissed it all away lol LMAO.

MAn he is even worse then I thought. Surely he is the worst player ever on,at everleaf, in the entire history of the everleaf netwrok poker skin rooms

LMAO
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09-13-2011 , 09:08 PM
what a waste of $2 mikeDH. what a waste.
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09-13-2011 , 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaqalicious
what a waste of $2 mikeDH. what a waste.
Oh and you would flat call the ultimate poker idiot goof off clown donk idiot moron's 1700 bet. Oh yeah thats so good or spewy.

Or wait you would fold to the ULTIMATE DONK'S 1700 bet postflop, even thoug you have the best hand most likely probably(coward)

Or you would reraise to 3300 or so NOT I dont think you do that, as thats a little spewy.

So thats leaves 2 options, fold best hand to ULTIMATE DONK'S 1700 LIKELY DONK BET

or reraise all in all in knowing you have the best hand most probable likely(83 to 93% chance) and get called by ULTIMATE DONKS likely AIR, or bottom pair(83 to 93% chance)

So you would fold the best hand, to ULTIMATE POKER IDIOT GOOF OFF CLOWN DONK"S 1700 DONK BET, where the DONK raises and calls no matter what preflop, and where DONK bets big or calls big raises and or all ins postflop no matter what, And where the DONK stacks off to almost everyone no matter what, and only reason the DONK is in the tourney still, is because DONK butlucked sucked out 10,000,000,000 times.


So you would cowardly,scaredy cat fold, the best hand to such a DONK's big 1700 DONK bet postflop


what a scaredy cat, what a coward you are and what a waste it would be by you.


and oh you can shut up with your rude,BS, snidely,sarcastic,trollish, BBV like comments.

your comments are not wanted or needed so just shut up

you just dont learn from LO's example

I didnt waste $2 idiot.

so just shut up
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 12:51 AM
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,165,120 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 79J
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
9K52.40% 6,367,03214,688
QT47.60% 5,783,40014,688

way to go mike, you identified a spewy player at the table and managed to get it in as a 52/48 favorite (a far cry from '83 to 93%' which you pulled out of the sky). you decided to gambooool with a guy who obviously just wanted to gambooool, playing right into his strategy.
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09-14-2011 , 03:20 AM
K9 and flopped middle pair is the EXACT hand I would choose to go to war with against a spew monkey. Solid hand selection IMO.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,739,541,760 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
K946.28% 5,636,956,840518,948,752
40%53.72% 6,583,636,168518,948,752



You see mike we are trying to help you, but it's hard to not sound like a **** if you keep ignoring solid advice. The table above suggests you only flop 60% equity against a villain opening 40% of hands preflop, 25% of the time with your K9. That's just 1 in 4 times. You are a 60% dog or worse on ~60% of flops. Not good.
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09-14-2011 , 03:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaqalicious
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,165,120 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 79J
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
9K52.40% 6,367,03214,688
QT47.60% 5,783,40014,688

way to go mike, you identified a spewy player at the table and managed to get it in as a 52/48 favorite (a far cry from '83 to 93%' which you pulled out of the sky). you decided to gambooool with a guy who obviously just wanted to gambooool, playing right into his strategy.
I did NOT say I had a 83 to 93% chance to win.

I said I had a 83 to 93% chance, lieklyhood,probability to have the BEST hand, and to be beating and crushing whatever DONK had at that time.

That means I am 83 to 93% chance,likelyhood,probability to be in a situation where I am about 63% chance to win at mininum, and about 87% chance to win at maximum best, should all the chips go in at that time.

that also means that there is about 7 to 13%(the reverse of the 83 to 93% chance,likelyhoods,probabilities) chance that he the DONK has miraculously woken up and finally has the best hand, and is actually beating and crushing me, at this time, when most to all the chips go in at this time in the hand.

I am not saying that I have a 83 to 93% chance to win. Heck even AA vs any other hand all in preflop is only about 83% chance to win. So its unlikely that my likely,probable best hand, that is likely and probably beating and crushing the DONK is 83 to 93% chance to win.

Its is obvious that you dont understand likelyhoods, and probabilties.

If I reraise DONK all in postflop on the turn, and DONK flips over AJ(top pair of J's A kicker)KJ,QJ,A9(middle pair of 9's A kicker) 2 pair, a set, AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT, there is only a about a 9 to 17% chance, likelyhood, or probability, of that happening based on DONK'S DONK play.

While if I reraise all in postflop, there is about a 83 to 93% chance,likelyhood,probability,etc that DONK has complete AIR, bottom pair, middle pair worse kicker then my K kicker, a gutshot draw, a hand that I beat or crush,etc

So the DONK is playing poker roulette,craps dice, poker lottery,etc, thats the type of crazy insane gambling that the DONK is doing

while I am taking a logical,reasonable, calculated gamble with the likelyhoods, and probabilities clearly and greatly in my favor that I probably have DONK beat or crushed.

what I did was akin to lets say DONK shoved all in preflop every hand no matter what all tourney long. And lets say DONK then shoves all in preflop yet again. And lets say I have say the following range of hands: A8 suited,A9,AT, KQ suited, KJ suited, 99,TT, and then lets say I then call the DONKS all in shove preflop, with any of those hands I listed.

Now since DONK is shoving all in preflop every hand no matter what, the average hand donk has on average according to probability,etc is K2+, out of the 220 possible starting hand combinations. this means there is like a 83 to 93% chance that if I call DONK's all in shove, since he is shoving every hand no matter what, that I am beating and crushing DONK all in preflop.

But that also means that if DONK shoves yet again after shoving every hand no matter what, that there is about a 9 to 17% chance that if I call DONK's all in preflop DONK shove, that I will be up against a hand that beats and crushes me, all in preflop.

this is akin to what the DONK was doing, in the hand with me. and likewise I had about a 83 to 93% chance likelyhood, probability, to be beating and crushing whatever DONK had, and had a 9 to 17% chance,likelyhood,probability to be beat, and crushed by whatever DONK had.

But once the cards were turned over, I had about 58% chance to win, vs the draw DONK had.

But thats not what you go by after the cards are flipped over. You go by the probability, and likelyhood, you have to be ahead, have the best hand, and be beating and crushing whatever the DONK has, BEFORE the cards are turned over.

And based on that, I had about a 83 to 93% chance to be beating and crushing whatever DONK had, and about a 9 to 17% chance to be beat and crushed by whatever DONK had.

And so based on that I made the right play of reraising all in over DONKS 1700 DONK bet on the flop.

About 8 times out of 10 I am ahead and beating crushing whatever DONK has, and about 6 times out of those 8 times out of 10, I am going to win, and about 2 times out of those 8 times out of 10 I am going to lose. And about 2 times out of 10 I am gona be beat, and crushed by the DONK at the time all the chips goes in. And of those 2 times out of 10, that I am crushed,beat, at the time all the chips goes in, I lose about 65% of the time, and win about 35% of the time.

So all of that means that about 6.5 times out of 10 when I reraise The DONK's 1700 DONK bet on the flop all in postflop, I win, and about 3.5 times out of 10 in that situation, I lose.

that means I had the odds, likelyhoods,probabilities,chances, percents on my side, and in my favor.

And I made the right play accordingly, according to those likelyhoods, and probabilities.

Really you need to learn about pot odds, and likelyhoods, probabilities, etc.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 04:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by streityboy
K9 and flopped middle pair is the EXACT hand I would choose to go to war with against a spew monkey. Solid hand selection IMO.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,739,541,760 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
K946.28% 5,636,956,840518,948,752
40%53.72% 6,583,636,168518,948,752



You see mike we are trying to help you, but it's hard to not sound like a **** if you keep ignoring solid advice. The table above suggests you only flop 60% equity against a villain opening 40% of hands preflop, 25% of the time with your K9. That's just 1 in 4 times. You are a 60% dog or worse on ~60% of flops. Not good.
This information just makes the point that it is porbably better to just fold k9 vs DONK's minraise preflop.

Thats something I was actually wondering about, if I should have just folded preflop.

And according to this info, if I am understanding this right, it looks like I should have folded K9 preflop.

But what this info doesnt cover, is that once the flop has already happened. And the board is 79J, and I have middle pair of 9's K kicker, and DONK, DONK BETS 1700 for the zillionth time in a row, there is ABOUT a 83 to 93% chance I am ahead of and beating and crushing whatever DONK has, and ABOUT a 9 to 17% chance that DONK is ahead of and crushing, and beating whatever I have at this time

So according to that I am right to reraise DONK all in here in this situation.

Also your info does not account for DONK , being a DONK. your tools doesnt know or show that DONK is donk raising 95% of the time preflop, and or DONK calling another person's preflop raise about 95% of the time.

Your tools info doesnt show that DONK, DONK bets postflop 95% of the time, and DONK calls, another player's postflop bet like 95% of the time.

Any sane,intelligent person, should know that middle pair of 9's K kicker, on a 79J board, is PROBABLY LIKELY to be AHEAD, and BEATING, whatever DONK is DONK betting 1700 with.

Your tools info doesnt cover that. All your tools info says, is that K9, against whatever equity it has, versus whatever equity opponent has, is X% chance to be behind, or ahead, whatever opponent flops, and whatever K9 flops. It doesnt cover all the info about the situation, like what specifically flopped,etc etc etc.

You cant go by that because your tools info does not say that when you have k9, and flop 79J, and have middle pair of 9's K kicker, vs a random(DONK)opponents hand, where you have x amount of equity, and opponent has x amount of equity, and Opponent random hand bets x amount of equity into the pot, then K9 middle pair of 9's K kicker, on a 79J board is x% to win, and opponents random hand is x% to win.

Your tools info does NOT do that

And altho I cant do that too either, I can come up with a logical,reasonable rational percent chance in the same type of way, that if I say a flush draw has a generic 27 to 43% chance to win. thats not exact, but its pretty dam logical,reasonable and close.

In that same type of way, I can logically,reasonably say, that when the board is 79J, and I have middle pair of 9's K kicker, and DONK is DONK betting, ANY 2 CARDS 1700 almost EVERY DAM TIME, that I have high probability say a 73 to 93% chance, likelyhood,probability to be ahead of and beating whatever DONK has.

thats probably pretty dam close, just like 27 to 43% chance is pretty dam close to the percent chance that a flush has to be made by the river.

So according to that I made the right play.

Your tools dont cover that kind of info.

ON a sidenote it would be nice if there was a program tool where you could enter your starting hand,K9, the board 79J, middle pair of 9's K kicker, Opponents any 2 card hand range, and Opponents 1700 bet, with that range, with your range, and with the board, all that info, etc, and then say something like you have x% chance to be ahead of Opponent.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 05:18 AM
Mike, you'd get more worthwhile feedback if you just posted specific HHs rather than describing them in your aggro posting style. I've no idea what the stack sizes were in the K9 hand and I don't care enough to read through 30 paragraphs that are mostly crammed full of liberal uses of the word DONK just to work out exactly what happened.

From what I gather, you flatted in late position vs an uber-lag open. This seems fine, especially as the effective stacks were apparently fairly deep. As to whether you then ought to cram your entire stack in when you hit middle pair, it kind of depends. You're only ever going to get vague general advice if you don't post the actual hand history.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 06:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Mike, you'd get more worthwhile feedback if you just posted specific HHs rather than describing them in your aggro posting style. I've no idea what the stack sizes were in the K9 hand and I don't care enough to read through 30 paragraphs that are mostly crammed full of liberal uses of the word DONK just to work out exactly what happened.

From what I gather, you flatted in late position vs an uber-lag open. This seems fine, especially as the effective stacks were apparently fairly deep. As to whether you then ought to cram your entire stack in when you hit middle pair, it kind of depends. You're only ever going to get vague general advice if you don't post the actual hand history.
Background: Villain Ultimate DONK called all in preflop with AJ in a 3 way all in preflop. Donk sucked out vs JJ,AK, got up to 43k stack. Then villain DONK raises every hand preflop and calls others preflop raises every hand. Then postflop he bets big postflop every hand, and calls others postflop raises every hand. Villain donk stacked off, lost 7k to 13k to others like 3 to 6 times. And stacked other players when he miraculously woke up with a hand, about 1 to 3 times.Donk butlucked sucked out about 5 to 10 times.

blinds were 20/40 to 30/60 I had a 9k stack.villain donk had about a 43k stack. Villain donk was in middle position, I was in late position. Villain donk had QT, and Ihad K9

Villain donk minraises yet again for the zillionth time. I flat call in late position with K9.

FLOP:

79J with a possible flush draw on the board.

villain DONK bets 1700 a big DONK big bet yet again for the zillionth time.

I figure that my middle pair of 9's K kicker, is probably somewhere to about 73 to 83% chance, likelyhood,probability to be ahead of whatever Villain DONK has. And about a 9 to 17% chance, for Villain donk to be ahead of the middle pair of 9's K kicker, I have.

I figure that because of that, folding is bad, and thats its bad to fold what is probably the best hand, at this time.

I figure that flat calling 1700, is spewy, and is putting about 23% of my stack in, which is bad because depending on what the turn and river is, I am almost pot committed,depending on what the turn, and river brings.

So since I figure that I am likely ahead at this time,and that because of that, reraising all in at this time, is better then folding and flat calling.

Also I figure that if I fold what is likely to be the best hand, that DONK will just keep on doing what donk is doing, and that I needed to make and take a stand when my hand, middle pair of 9's, K kicker, is probably the best hand.

Also I figure that since my hand is probably the best, that I had a decent,ok,semi good chance to double up, if I make,take a stand, and reraise what is probably the best hand at this time, all in postflop over villain donk's 1700 postflop bet

So I reraised all in over villain donks 1700 DONK bet

another player called with middle pair of 9's lower kicker then my K kicker.

And villain DONK calls my reraise all in with a straight draw.

Then villain DONK sucks out yet again for the zillionth time on the river yet again.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 06:20 AM
POST THE HAND HISTORY
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09-14-2011 , 06:29 AM
lol
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09-14-2011 , 07:01 AM
Mike, that reply was quite awesome
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09-14-2011 , 07:13 AM
2,811 words written about a bustout hand in a $3 MTT. Over 10 pages double-spaced in Word.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
ON a sidenote it would be nice if there was a program tool where you could enter your starting hand,K9, the board 79J, middle pair of 9's K kicker, Opponents any 2 card hand range, and Opponents 1700 bet, with that range, with your range, and with the board, all that info, etc, and then say something like you have x% chance to be ahead of Opponent.
Here you go...K9 against a guy supposedly playing any two preflop who then bets any two on this board against your hand. NOT 73-93% or whatever pie in the sky % you chose. I lost track of your logic or which % is which so my fault.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,842,280 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 79j
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
k970.42% 8,912,351261,744
100%29.58% 3,668,185261,744

Except that he didn't have any two...solid read IMO.

Last edited by streityboy; 09-14-2011 at 08:07 AM. Reason: I read OPs detailed HH part 2. He says there is a flush on board this time.
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by streityboy
Here you go...K9 against a guy supposedly playing any two preflop who then bets any two on this board against your hand. NOT 73-93% or whatever pie in the sky % you chose. I lost track of your logic or which % is which so my fault.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
12,842,280 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 79j
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
k970.42% 8,912,351261,744
100%29.58% 3,668,185261,744

Except that he didn't have any two...solid read IMO.
Just like msaying that a flush draw on the flop to the river has a 27 to 43% chance to be made is pretty dam close the the actual 36% chance a flush draw has to be made. So also is the 73% chance I said, was pretty damn close according to the 70/29 your poker tools program gives. So what I said was actually pretty dam accurate.


Also IF DONK had AA, after the cards are flipped over, he still has any 2 cardss range, because DONK would have MIRACULOUSLY woke up with AA according to the 1 in 220 chance DONK had of having AA. So.

If DONK shoves preflop 1000 times in a row. Its safe to say that DONK is shoving ANY 2 CARDS preflop. IF a player then calls all in preflop with KJ suited, against the DONK, and DONK flips up AA, does that mean that donk wasnt shoving ANy 2 cards all in preflop? No, because DONK has a 1 in 220 chance to be shoving AA all in preflop.

Its the same type of thing in the situation I was in. DONK was raising every hand no matter what. And calling other players preflop raises every hand no matter what. And postflop after that DONK bets big every hand no matter what, and calls big raises vs other players no matter what. And donk has donk stacked off like 3 to 6 times. And DONK has butlucked sucked out like 5 to 10 times.

So in that situation, with that kind of DONK, with the DONK way DONK was playing, then what is DONKS range? ANY 2 CARDS, because he is doing that no matter what he has.


So according to your own poker tools program, I had a 70% chance to be ahead of DONK, and a 29% chance for DONK to be ahead of me.

DONK just happened to have a draw, which is better then he was likely to have.

So if DONK flips over AA, or any hand that beats me, or a draw, well then he is supposed to have that happen 29% of the time, vs what I had, according to your poker tools program.

SO I was in a 70/30 all in postflop. Having the 70, in a 70/30 is pretty good.

Also your edit line is wrong. I did not say there was a flush. I said there was a possible flush draw IE 2 suited cards on the flopped 79J board.

When your in a hand, and lets say there are 4 players in the hand, and the board flops xxx with 2 suited cards. then there might possibly be a chance that 1 of the 4 players might possibly have a flush draw.

So there was a 2 suited card possible flush draw on the board. thats not saying that there was a flush. A possible flush would be 3 suited cards on the flopped board.

There was not 3 suited cards on mthe board, there was only 2 suited cards on the board.

So your poker tools program just proves that I was right to reraise all in with a 70% chance to win, vs whatever donk has, and a 29% chance to lose vs whatever donk has
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
Just like msaying that a flush draw on the flop to the river has a 27 to 43% chance to be made is pretty dam close the the actual 36% chance a flush draw has to be made. So also is the 73% chance I said, was pretty damn close according to the 70/29 your poker tools program gives. So what I said was actually pretty dam accurate.


Also IF DONK had AA, after the cards are flipped over, he still has any 2 cardss range, because DONK would have MIRACULOUSLY woke up with AA according to the 1 in 220 chance DONK had of having AA. So.

If DONK shoves preflop 1000 times in a row. Its safe to say that DONK is shoving ANY 2 CARDS preflop. IF a player then calls all in preflop with KJ suited, against the DONK, and DONK flips up AA, does that mean that donk wasnt shoving ANy 2 cards all in preflop? No, because DONK has a 1 in 220 chance to be shoving AA all in preflop.

Its the same type of thing in the situation I was in. DONK was raising every hand no matter what. And calling other players preflop raises every hand no matter what. And postflop after that DONK bets big every hand no matter what, and calls big raises vs other players no matter what. And donk has donk stacked off like 3 to 6 times. And DONK has butlucked sucked out like 5 to 10 times.

So in that situation, with that kind of DONK, with the DONK way DONK was playing, then what is DONKS range? ANY 2 CARDS, because he is doing that no matter what he has.


So according to your own poker tools program, I had a 70% chance to be ahead of DONK, and a 29% chance for DONK to be ahead of me.

DONK just happened to have a draw, which is better then he was likely to have.

So if DONK flips over AA, or any hand that beats me, or a draw, well then he is supposed to have that happen 29% of the time, vs what I had, according to your poker tools program.

SO I was in a 70/30 all in postflop. Having the 70, in a 70/30 is pretty good.

Also your edit line is wrong. I did not say there was a flush. I said there was a possible flush draw IE 2 suited cards on the flopped 79J board.

When your in a hand, and lets say there are 4 players in the hand, and the board flops xxx with 2 suited cards. then there might possibly be a chance that 1 of the 4 players might possibly have a flush draw.

So there was a 2 suited card possible flush draw on the board. thats not saying that there was a flush. A possible flush would be 3 suited cards on the flopped board.

There was not 3 suited cards on mthe board, there was only 2 suited cards on the board.

So your poker tools program just proves that I was right to reraise all in with a 70% chance to win, vs whatever donk has, and a 29% chance to lose vs whatever donk has
Lord alive someone help me. I haven't a ***** clue where to start with this crap!! Somebody, coooomeee on.

Last edited by streityboy; 09-14-2011 at 06:16 PM. Reason: You are aware that there are just 2 flush cards on the board and that there are 4 suits in a pack of cards?
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 07:17 PM
out in $3 super deep stack $200 GTD.

Blinds 400/800 I have a 14k stack,I have A9 suited in middle position raise to 2k, I get 4 callers

flop comes 739 extrmely wet board with a possible flush and straight draw, in a 5 handed family pot.

I had a tight table image.

I checked. Villain checks a set behind everybody, instead of protecting hand from draws.

Turn: 7393. villain gets stupid flop slowplay rewarded, and because of villains stupid slowplay on the flop, I figure everybody is on flush draw, straight draw, or pair of 7's, because if they had a made hand, they would be prtoecting their hands from the draw right. So I came up with the idea or plan to bet 3000 on the turn, and then shove the river if none of the draws hit, and if nothing likely hits anybody. So some of the draws call, and some fold, and 77 full boat flat calls.

river: 73933, since nobody reraised me on the turn, I figure there is a good chance either nobody has anything, or if they have a very small full boat, like a 22,etc, that If I shove, I will cause a 22 type full house to fold, Also I figured that if somebody had a pocket pair or the 7, or the 9, that they would have bet the flop to protect their hand from the draws, and would have bet or reraised the turn to protect their hands from the draws.

So I really didnt think based on the play that it was likely anybody had a fullhouse, and that if they did, it would be a 22 type of small full house that I could probably fold out, by shoving repping a bigger full house.

So I bluff shove rep a fullhouse, and get called by the 77 fullhouse.

Now if 77 had not slowplayed their set on the flop,vs the 5 handed extremely wet drawy board, then I escape easily from this hand.

Or if 77 fullhouse would have reraised me, I would have folded, and escaped.

I really dont get why Villain didnt bet their set and fullhouse, they are gona extract value from the draws, who will call. And since I raised preflop, and bet the turn, villain should figure that if they minreraise me, that I and others will either call on the draw, or are strong enough to call, thus paying them off and giving them more extracted value for their set, and fullhouse, on the flop and turn.

If I am villain I would have bet the flop, and as played would have minreraised the turn, to extract more value, from the draws, and anybody who has a piece of the board.

thats how villain should have played, but oh no villain has to slowplay on a extremely drawy wet board, in a hand, and at a table, where nobody is likely to pay a slowplay trap off, by playing,betting into it.

And Oh no Villain has to not try to extract value from draws and others who might have piece of the board by betting out or minreraising.

I am getting tired of getting beat by others stupid play. So I guess I have to assume from now on, and think from now on, instead of "surely nobody would be stupid enough to have played a hand this way, or that way,etc, that of course the villain stupidly slowplayed, on a extrmely drawy wet board. Of course the villain stupidly failed to extract value, thus villain has the nuts, because villain stupidly slowplayed, and failed to extract value, and thus I am beat.

I guess thats the way I am gona have to play. cant use logic anymore and assume that a player wouldnt stupidly play a hand a stupid way.

Just would have been nice if villain would have played the hand the right way and had not donk slowplayed, and had not donk failed to try and extract value by betting,minreraising,,

If Villain plays how they should have played, I would have escaped, with a 9 to 12k stack left.

So next time I dont care how logical,reasonable,probable,likely villain doesnt have a big hand, I am just gona assume, they played stupidly, and do have a big hand.

Oh great, now I am gona start being paranoid, and start seeing monsters, when there are none, and start seeing donk limp trappers, and donk slowplay trappers on the worst boards and situations, tables to slowplay trap on.

Your right NOFX, these micro stakes are really gona damage, hurt my game a little when I get to higher stakes.

Sorry for the rant all, just getting frustrated with the donk limp trappers, who donk limp trap on the worst tables possible to do so, and the donk slowplayers who donk slowplay the wetest drawiest boards possible, in 9 handed family pots
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09-14-2011 , 07:22 PM
If 739 is an extremely wet board, which it isn't, why didn't you bet your TPTK to get value from draws?
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09-14-2011 , 07:28 PM
"thats how villain should have played, but oh no villain has to slowplay on a extremely drawy wet board, in a hand, and at a table, where nobody is likely to pay a slowplay trap off"

yet you did


"Or if 77 fullhouse would have reraised me, I would have folded, and escaped."

"Now if 77 had not slowplayed their set on the flop,vs the 5 handed extremely wet drawy board, then I escape easily from this hand. "

maybe they should just type in the chatbox what they have so you can play better.

you are hilarious mikeDH, you've blamed bad beats or ULTIMATE DONK SLOWPLAY in every single one of the hands you've posted, and never once considered that you possibly didn't play the hands as well as you could have.

please keep posting.
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09-14-2011 , 07:30 PM
also your raise preflop is pretty awful w/ your stack depth and position
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09-14-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rich99cook
If 739 is an extremely wet board, which it isn't, why didn't you bet your TPTK to get value from draws?
Sorry for the mistype, the board was 738, but kept on accidently typing the 9 key next to the 8 key,without realizing it, because of the frustration.

But even if the board had been 739, instead of the actual 738 board, its is a very wet board. because in a 5 handed family pot, anybody could easily have a straight draw, or a flush draw(there were 2 suited cards on the 738 board.)

I checked the board with A9 suited no pair no draw high, because I wanted to see what everybody would do, and because I am not gona fold everyone out, and pick up the pot, and because I want to check the flop, and then bet the turn, and hoepfully price out any draws on the turn, because now they would only have a 12 to 17% chance to make their draws, with bad pot odds, on the turn going to the river. So hopefully I would pick up the pot on the turn or river.
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09-14-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
I had a tight table image.
you keep saying they're donks - why would donks pay attention to your play?
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Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
Sorry for the mistype, the board was 738
good god man, you've been told literally dozens of times to just post the hand history instead of your error-laden approximations and your outlandish reads. can you please consider following that request/suggestion?
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09-14-2011 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
out in $3 super deep stack $200 GTD.

Blinds 400/800 I have a 14k stack,I have A9 suited in middle position raise to 2k, I get 4 callers
I am going to break this down for you Mike. Without taking the piss. This is a pretty bad open. I would prefer a shove if you want to open this at all and take advantage of fold equity. You commit 15% of your stack pre, without it seems, an idea of what you are going to do should you get 3 bet from LP. Do you open fold this to a raise or open then 4 bet shove!!?

This is also a pretty bad open because, looking at the fact you have 4 callers (and because you have mentioned that less than 4.5xing pre at this network gets boat loads of callers), you are going to be playing a raggy ace multiway with people that likely have position on you. Not fun. Please fold this pre, especially from MP. Your stack size, position and table type make this an easy fold pre. FOLD PRE.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
flop comes 739 extrmely wet board with a possible flush and straight draw, in a 5 handed family pot.

I had a tight table image.
I question whether people are even aware of table image at this $3 tourney. Anyway you say you have a tight table image and you don't bet this flop? What flops were you hoping to hit with A9 other than TPTK? How do you not at least bet something for info?

I would also disagree that this is a wet board.

Last edited by streityboy; 09-14-2011 at 08:11 PM. Reason: Holy crap...he now changes the HH...wtf? At least I didn't deal with the turn or river in any depth you donk..ffs post the HH
MikeDH,Dwiele 0 BR Micro SNG,MTT stake rail thread Quote
09-14-2011 , 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
Sorry for the mistype, the board was 738, but kept on accidently typing the 9 key next to the 8 key,without realizing it, because of the frustration.

But even if the board had been 739, instead of the actual 738 board, its is a very wet board. because in a 5 handed family pot, anybody could easily have a straight draw, or a flush draw(there were 2 suited cards on the 738 board.)

I checked the board with A9 suited no pair no draw high, because I wanted to see what everybody would do, and because I am not gona fold everyone out, and pick up the pot, and because I want to check the flop, and then bet the turn, and hoepfully price out any draws on the turn, because now they would only have a 12 to 17% chance to make their draws, with bad pot odds, on the turn going to the river. So hopefully I would pick up the pot on the turn or river.
Hey Mike, my name is Ethan, I'm URAClassAct on Minted, I was in this tournament too(not your table) and watched your table while I was playing. The flop was actually 373 for a flopped full house. You sat around on the table and abused the person who made the play for almost 45 minutes saying how bad it was to slowplay on that "wet" board, while we all tried to tell you multiple times that the villain in that hand did in fact flop a full house. You you either refused to look back at the hand history or were too damn stubborn to see that you got outplayed on that particular hand.

Honestly, you really need to stop blaming everyone else for their plays, and spend more time looking at your own. You were extremely rude to players on the table the entire tournament, and even if they were donks, DON'T TAP THE GLASS. You're not going to play every hand perfectly, and neither is anybody else. Rather than say if someone played this the "right" way (which is always the way that would have helped you either fold for the minimum, or win the maximum), you should spend more time looking at what they actually are doing, and how you can play back against those moves in the future. I think you are/can be a good player, but you can't let your attitude and stubbornness get in the way of learning and getting better.

And btw I'm not saying this stuff to embarrass you, I sincerely hope you do well, it's constructive criticism only.

And here is a screenshot of the hand just so you can see yourself. Obviously a sick river card, but you did make a mistake reading the board the first hand, and extremely hostile and out of line against the other person in the hand who played it fine.




EDIT: Looking back at your post above, you completely butchered the hand history. I don't know if you just remembered wrong, or flat out made it up to "make yourself look better," but either way it's dishonest to your backer and the people supporting you in this thread. As it was it was a cooler and you were unlucky to hit the Ace on the river. No one is going to give you a hard time for busting out on the hand (the real hand), so you're better off posting it and getting constructive criticism on the real hand and being honest with your backer.

Last edited by Birds Of War; 09-14-2011 at 08:36 PM.
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