Epic. What is BBV btw?

played the $2 rebuy $200 GTD did buy in and 1 add on for a total of $4 played.

I took 2 bad luck bad beats early bfore add on.

And then this bad luck DONK beat happened post add on break.

I had a 15k stack with blinds 200/400 a limper limps, and DONK, donk limps donk completes his SB with 107 off, with his 27 to 29k stack.

I limped JT suited behind the open limper who limped in front.

the flop comes xTx putting a possible straight draw, and possible flush draw on the board, with 5 of us in the hand.

SB 107 guy, bets 2000 barely over the size of the pot. DUH GEE GEORGE DUH MC FLY, its so damn good to bet so big out of position first to act, with such a weak ass kicker on your top pair of T's, with no draw at all.

I figure that villain is doing all of the following:

1. betting big to bully

2. betting big with a middle pair or top pair weak kicker, and 63 to 73% chance kicker is lesser then my J kicker.

3. is trying to protect his hand from the draw, while making any draws pay a big price.

SO since I had a gutshot draw, and JT top pair J kicker, and since I figured that he probably wasnt betting that big on a draw, I reraise his 2k raise to 4700

at this point donk should have flat called. folding would be bad, because of pot odds to call 2700 more. And reraising or shoving would be bad, because he should know or think there is a good chance for his top pair T 7 kicker to be beat,outkicked So that only leaves flat calling. anything else is DONKISH.

Also I wanted to force him to flat call, so that he would be forced to check the river, and then I could make a 2000 chip value bet on the river that would really put him to the test on the river

so what does donk do, but donks minreraises me with such a weak ass kicker, instead of flat calling my reraise like he should have.

And so because of his donk decision. flat calling is bad. folding would be bad, and shoving over his minreraise would be bad. And they are all 3 options about as equally bad.

but shoving is the best option, because I am not folding to a minreraise from the donk. And because basically its gona all get in somehow someway anyways probably on the river, so I figured I might as well just get it all in now, since I and the DONK are now pot committed(but if donk,villain had flat called my reraise, like he should have, then neither of us would have been pot committed.)

And so I 5 bet shove over his minreraise, and he of course is now pot committed to donk call me, because of his big donk bet first to act postflop, and because of his donk failure to flat call my reraise, like he should have.

And so he calls me.

and of course DONK hits his 2 or 3 outer on the river, and out I go.

which if I had not been bad luck butlucked, I would have had a 30k stack and would have probably cashed finished 2nd to 6th place with the 30 stack size I would have had.

So more bad luck please.

"at this point donk should have flat called."

"instead of flat calling my reraise like he should have."

"but if donk,villain had flat called my reraise, like he should have,"

"because of his big donk bet first to act postflop, and because of his donk failure to flat call my reraise, like he should have."

this is a losing mentality mikeDH, DUCY?

what i was trying to tell you, but unsurprisingly did not make it past your thick skull, is that the guy who you were just arguing about poker strategy with is a friend of mine who routinely plays games that cost more to buy in than your entire career earnings. trust me he's better than you at poker and you should probably listen to him.

4.5x pre in the first level of a micro donkament would not be entirely horrendous, if only you were not so godawful at playing postflop

keep the updates coming tho, i promise i'll only comment on your posts with a legit strat approach from here on out, and you can contend what i say all you want, no hard feelings

that's quite an analysis. good for you being so honest and accurate with your play.

@OP if u want to get better listen to some grinders that are having better results than u.
they are probably trying to help u.
but your big ego to the side and listen,that can only help your game


ps:1-2 k$ winnings are just looooool anyway.

The last line and sentence of your post is a example of the kind of BBV like attitude that others have showed in their post.

BBV like trolling,attitude,snidely like, post are not helpful post, that are trying to help.

rather they are:" lol your so bad, I am so good, so I am going to berate you, put you down, make fun of you,arbitarily say I am right and you are wrong, not use logic,reason, demand you do it my way, and not your dumbass way,I am going to be snidely,sarcastic,call you names,troll you,etc"

thats what they are doing, and or even if thats not what they are doing, and not their intent, thats how they are coming across, and how they are being without realizing it.

thats both not wanted and not needed. And this rail thread is not the place for their BBV like crap. And they can take their BBV like crap back to BBV.

It doesnt matter if they were so good to play with millions. mIts not their qualifications that are the probelm, its their METHODOLOGY of how they communicate or lack thereof that is the probelm.

As an example of what I am talking about: You dont see LO doing their crap. LO is a pretty dam good winning player that plays for a hell of a lot of money. I have sweated watched him take down cashes in just 1 of the $100 to $200 tourneys he regularly plays in that absolutely dwarfs the $1675 I grinded up from $25.

But has he ever said that me grinding $25 to $1675 is no big deal in 1 years time, in my spare time, at low volume, is no big deal? No. He has acknowledged that I have improved, and am actually a pretty good player that is much better then many like you and others give me credit for.

And me and LO have talked poker strategy in the past, and now in this thread, and does he do what you and others do in a BBV like way. No. what he does is something like this: Hey Mike I think you played that last hand bad, or misplayed it, or that your logic was flawed on that last hand, and here is why I think that, blah blah blah.

Then I usually say something like well LO the reason why I played it like that, is blah blah blah. thats not getting overdefensive, or arguing, or saying I am right and LO and others is wrong, and thats how I am going to play it. No thats not what I am doing, I am just explaining the ins and outs, the nuances, and logic, on why I played it the way I played it.

Now after that does LO react in the same bad way you and others react. No he doesnt. He doesnt say arbitarily your wrong Mike and I am right, just dont do it that way, do it my way. What he does is something like this:

"well mike I understand why you played it like that. but your logic is flawed mike, and here is why, you see when blah blah blah, LO then challeneges my logic in a good excellent way. He shows why it is wrong,Shows why his way makes sense, then convinces, and persuades that he is right and I am wrong, and that I shoudl do it that way in the future in a similar situation comes up.

This is also how my backer dwiele, and NOFX, brownie attack, and giggle girl the coach I had does it as well.

Now a good example of how not to do things, the trolls who are posting here.

and a guy called supbates who self appointed himself as my coach, even though I really did not want him as a coach. He was always like "lol your so bad, your a dumbass, I am right, you are wrong, I am a winning player, your are a losing player, I command and demand that you do it my way right now, and that you not question me and not question the way I do things"

Is it any wonder then why I didnt follow him who had a GOD complex stick, personaility, attitude, and why I didnt listen to him?

I am not a mindless robot, who will just do what he is told, without question.

Also its better to understand why you are doing something then to be a mindless zombie robot, doing something.

Gigglegirl the coach I had understood that, and thats why he was such a effective good coach.

And LO and others understand that as well.

So if you and others want to help me as you put it, then lose the BBV attitude, and post and communicate more like LO, NOFX, Brownie attack,Dwiele, and Gigglegirl the coach I had.

Also I am much better then you give me credit for, I have read books like Harrington on hold em, full tilt poker tourney edition green book, Super system, Bond 18's series of articles collected into a book like collection, and Shaun Deeb's 180 man sit n go guide, and many other poker articles and books, in,at the FTP database.

I have watched many instructional poker videos, at stox, card runners, bluff magazine, cardplayers, leggo poker, FTP.

I have been coached.

I have had years of playing experience.

And while grinding $25 into $1675, in spare time, may not seem like anything good to you, keep in mind that if I had quadrupled my volume, I would have made $5k to $10k in 1 years time, instead of $1675

Also grinding a bankroll according to good bankroll management in your spare time at low volume, both takes a while, but also the longer you go occasionally exponentially increases.

example say you start with $15. Ok you slowly grind that into $200, no big deal right? Not it is a big deal, because now you can play $2 to $4 buy ins which means with bigger pay outs you can slowly grind that $200 into $1675 after a while or long time. No big deal right? wrong, its is a big deal, because now you can play $9 to $13 buy ins, and after a while you can slowly grind $1675 into $15,000 no big deal right? wrong. Now you can play $25 to $65 buy ins, and so now you can slowly grind up to $50k to 75k nno big deal right? wrong because now you can play $150 to $300 buy ins so then you gradually grind up to $200k

If black friday had not happened, and if I had been able to increase my volume, then I might probably have been able to slowly gradually over 1 or 2 years time grind up to $15k to $25k at mininum to $35k to $50k at maximum

so thats why grinding $25 to $1675 in my spare time is good. because it was a good big step towards $15k to $25k over a 1 to 2 year period of time.

Also I seriously doubt that you and others started at $25. You and others probably just deposited $1000 to $2000 and then grinded that up to $$10k to $100k, which is good.

But try going from zero to $5k, or from $15 to $25 micro stakes to $5k, I think you will find that just as hard as going from $2000 to $17k

(reason for the $5k number is if I had increased my volume, instead of grinding in my spare time, I probably would have grinded $5k instead of $1675)

after all Chris Ferguson did his zero to 10k thing, and for 4 to 7 months he went thru a extremely bad bad run, and it took him about 1 year and a half to go from zero to 10k

So the point of what I said, is dont be so quick to put down the good things others have done, and say oh thats nothing. It may be nothing to you, but it is something to others.

"Also I seriously doubt that you and others started at $25. You and others probably just deposited $1000 to $2000 and then grinded that up to $$10k to $100k, which is good."

nope, most players started their careers with a small deposit, i dont know anyone who started playing online poker by throwing a grand online.

no matter what you say mikeDH, making 3 dollars a day at anything isn't going to impress anyone who lives in a 1st world country.

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superb gimmick

Got knocked out 4 handed with when my JJ 50k stack lost to another 50k stack's AA all in preflop. Blinds 800/1600. I raise to 4k preflop. AA reraise big. I shoved, AA called and out I went.

I figured I was in a coinflip at worst, and up against a good hand like AK,AQ,or 99,TT,etc. I thought that, because I thought if he had a hand like QQ,KK,AA, that he would not want me to fold, and would reraise me some to a lot smaller.

And I also figured that he would not want to reraise smaller with a hand like AK,AQ,99,TT, and get called, and outflopped, and outplayed. SO I figured he would reraise big with AK,AQ,TT,99 to steal my preflop raise, and to either discourage a flat call, and encourage either a fold, or a reraise all in both, so that he would not get his AK,AQ,TT,99 called, and outflopped.

If he had reraised some to a lot smaller, I flat call, and play the postflop very carefully.

I wasnt gona fold JJ, and flat call a big reraise, out of position, would be spewy. So to me the only play would be to reraise all in preflop, and hope my hand holds up vs AK,AQ,TT,99

I was very suprised to see AA. He was dam lucky I had a hand, to reraise him all in with, or his fish donkish big reraise would have been folded to, and he would have failed to extract value.

He really should have reraised AA some to a lot smaller to encourage a flat call, to pay him off and to have a better chance to extract value from me.

So out I went in 4th for about $8.50 in the $1 rebuy $100 GTD, played $2, 1 buy in, and 1 add on at the start, no add on at break, as I had a 100 x BB 23k stack at the add on break, so didnt think the $1 2k chip add on was necessary, or needed.

So close again to finishing 1st or 2nd again.

my luck at the final tables really needs to get better.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

61,642,944 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
JJ	18.85%	11,495,700	250,380
AA	81.15%	49,896,864	250,380

http://www.pokersoft.co.uk/articles/poker-variance/

FYP.

i suspect OP may be a 3rd grader w/tourette syndrome

OP have u ever considered playing s&g
given that your time and BR are limit.

Go back to BBV TROLL. This is not the place for your BBV TROLLISH post.

You have JT top pair and a gut shot straight draw on Txx

The other guy has T7.

How do you have a straight draw on Txx without there being a 7 to give the other guy two pair?

Was it T98?

How does the other guy have 'no draw at all' on T98?

More bad luck. Please.

The MTT's I have been playing in are 35 players to 85 players, which already is kind of like 27,45,90,180 SNG's

Also on minted poker on everleaf network, their SNG's are not that good. they only have 6, and 10 man available most of time, and the few 20 to 30 man SNG's are for like 10 cent stakes.

Also almost nobody plays the SNG's, and they take forever to fill up

then number of players on the everleaf network is about 500 at mininum, and about 1500 during normal peak hours during weekdays, and about 3300 during peak hours on weekends.

This makes it even harderto play SNG's.

thanks for your suggestion though. There is no need to worry about the bankroll. it should be fine.


Thats what bankroll management is for.

right now the Bankroll is at $156

Right now, I am on a minor 7 to 13 buy in slight mini slide, bad run, but despite that, the bankroll is still up + $6 profit from $150 to $156


Also despite what some say, I actually have been playing pretty good.


So nothing to worry about.


but thanks for your concern, and your suggestion

He ididnt have 2 pair. I didnt have a open ended straight draw. The flop must have something like a T86 or a T96, or some kind of flop that I mislooked at and for some strange reason thought I had a gutshot draw, while thinking villain either had no draw, or only a gutshot draw as well.

you could just post the actual hand history and there wouldn't be any confusion at all.

MikeDH. Have you thought about moving to Canada? The MTTs are a lot softer on Stars now and you could definitely crush IMO.

My Life is in Limbo, and I have some important committments. So no I wont move to Canada.

I have thought about moving to Courd a lene Idaho. Because thats extremely close by, and Idaho doesnt have washington's rediculous laws.

But like I said, I have committments, that make moving not right for now.

Also I play in live offline poker tournaments, and Idaho's many casino's only do black jack,slots,craps,roulette,etc and not poker(I refuse to play the house casino games)

Also Poker stars isnt the only online poker room that is extremely soft right now.

Everleaf network skins are probably the softest online poker rooms online.

Which is why I dont get why US players arent flocking in droves to play on Everleaf.

But thats ok with me, I am ok with having the fish all to myself, as long as Everleaf gets some more player er fish. When it gets down to 500 during offpeak hours good luck tryiing to play in a tourney.

Also the legal and political landscape is changing in the US, and in washington state.

CHristine "not my Gov" Gregoire the wicked witch governor will be gone pretty soon. There is the best chance ever to elect the state's first republican governor ever, and some state legislators are pushing to get rid of anti online poker law, and for regulating and taxing it.

And the US is very extremely close to passing a online poker regulation, and taxation law. Some states have already made online poker legal, and taxable, so even if washington state were stubborn, and the last state to do so, washington state will eventually see the light and get rid of its stupid law

All of these thing make moving to canada just to play poker, not a good thing to do.

I will just wait and see what happens, and if things dont change, and when I am in a position to move, I might probably move to Idaho.

I will be playing the $3 $200 GTD that starts in about 2 hours from now.

MikelDH1 at,on Minted Pokerskin at,on Everleaf Network

Good.